re: Just want to say

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His challenger has condemned ALL of it.

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Perhaps he should implore local Democrat leaders to actually charge the rioters in their cities instead of releasing them.

I mean, it goes without saying that most of the right wing in the fanbase are all convinced by this point anybody taking part in this protest movement about police brutality is a full fledged marxist or whatever you all have decided but it's simply not the case.

And Saban, who has never really hidden that he is not a right winger, clearly doesn't view it that way, like most of the country doesn't view it that way. I understand that most of you will never admit this but you would be a lot less confused if you could simply accept that your views are not in line with the mainstream on this matter. And more specifically, that your views are not in line with noted democrat nick saban's on most things for that matter.

Anyway, my point was simply to address this line that boz kept repeating that he's just doing this to impress the kids and doesn't actually feel that way. It's willfully ignoring who Nick Saban is as a man. Whoever said earlier that he absolutely knew this backlash was coming and did it anyway was 100% correct. This is who he is.

No.

And I'm not sure a pissing match on the speaking styles of the 2 candidates is a worthy endeavor. They both leave a lot to be desired in that regard.

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. Can you show me any instance of Biden refusing to condemn violence or looting of any kind?

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Yeah by the fact that he has refused up until just basically yesterday to condemn anything. Biden has been silent up this point and this has been raging for 90 days. He was perfectly fine letting cities burn when it was damaging Trump. Now that they have woken up to the fact that American's don't like it and he is sinking in the polls across the board, he is now condemning it.

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I understand that most of you will never admit this but you would be a lot less confused if you could simply accept that your views are not in line with the mainstream on this matter.

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LOL - We will see about that on November 4th.

Good post. I'll respond with my thoughts on a few points.

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I will say, however, that there are aspects of this "movement" that are disingenuous IMO.

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I agree here, but that can be said for a lot of movements. I'm not always an advocate for throwing the baby out with the bath water though. This movement brought on the defund the police argument, which I don't support at all. A functioning society needs a police force. I would agree with defunding portions of police departments - no more military equipment for them, more oversight of overtime usage which can drain their budgets, etc. But I think any money savings there need to go towards better training.

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Yes, the incidents featured a white cop killing a black person who was resisting arrest, but what made these incidents "racist?" Black cops abuse black and white people, and white cops abuse white and black people.

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I think you have to look at more at the macro level. I do agree that most cops when you take away their badge and job and look at them as humans, are good people. The badge, and more significantly the protection the department's give them, allow them to cross lines that a normal society shouldn't allow. So it's more an argument against the system, and for a lot of black people it's a system they perceive as biased against them. It's not always about the killing of them, though that has become the flashpoint. It's often times just the lack of giving them the benefit of the doubt in their interactions.

But I think there is some give the BLM people need to address here as well. Statistically, black men commit more violent crime than white men. That fact is certainly going to contribute to how police behave, whether that is fair or not.

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I just don't believe that cops are black peoples' biggest problem in this country as far as their lives, and future goes.

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I don't know the answer to that. If you have black friends, I'd encourage you to talk to them about this issue. I have with mine, and the fear they have of cops is real. Fear of a simple traffic stop turning deadly, or evidence planted on them, or just unnecessary harassment from police It's a fear I've never even considered as a white man, and many of my black friends have actual experiences with police that support those fears.

Good post.

I'll say this too. I don't really pay attention to the BLM organization. I don't know where the Marxist tag originated, but I've been to 2 local protests organized by BLM. My experience at them both was positive, and the organizers went above and beyond to make them peaceful and positive. I personally watched one of them confront someone with an anti-Trump sign and convinced him to take the sign back to his car because that was not the message they wanted to communicate. I didn't agree with the message from all of the speakers at them, but that's okay. I didn't feel pressured to agree with them either.

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That is simply not true. He's been condemning it since May. Here is an article from May 31st quoting him on it.

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Biden parses his words far more than what you accuse Trump of doing....and not a single word about WHO is committing the violence.

Again, they are giving tacit support to ANTIFA and BLM

I mean, that is kind of my point. I'm certainly not arguing Saban is far left. Objectively, he is not. He's clearly more of a Manchin/Biden centrist democrat. But the point is, there are a lot of reasonable people like that who have no issue expressing solidarity with this protest against police brutality.

And again, my only reason for posting that here is to push back against the people trying to explain it away like this was just some cynical recruiting ploy to appeal to "the kids". This is also the only reason I reference mainstream views on the matter, because it seems like that context is missing when we have all these people who keep falling over themselves here to say that he doesn't actually feel that way, that anybody who marches for the cause is a marxist, etc. It's just not true. I certainly was not trying to say that just because the majority of people back a certain position, it holds any kind of moral authority. I don't believe that and wasn't saying that.

A whole lot of reasonable people are sympathetic to this cause, and anyone who expected Nick Saban not to be one of them is not being honest with themselves about who he is. Literally the only point I'm making. Personally, I'm proud of him for doing it, but that's not even the point of what I'm saying here.