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Jalen Milroe - Reading a Defense
Posted on 9/17/23 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 9/17/23 at 5:51 pm
Watching the Alabama/Texas game, Jalen threw an out in cover 2 zone. It was a go-out concept (not a wheel like commentators tried to make it). The hook/curl defender stayed home, and the flat defender stayed home. That completely takes away the out or in (if it was an option), but the play design worked because it provided a window to hit the go route between the safety and corner. Jalen threw the out, which was his first interception. He stared the receiver down the entire time. It was almost the same look on his second interception. It was a Cover 2 Zone/Eagle look. Basically the Sam and SS both blitz, you have man coverage to one side, and cover 2 zone on the opposite side. Some would call this “sting”. Sam is delayed, which allows him to come in wide open, typically (that’s what you want). Will backer controls the edge and has the back if they swing out, otherwise they provide pressure from the edge. Z runs a seam, trying to get inside leverage to draw the FS over. X runs a 10-12 yard comeback. Again, Milroe stares at the comeback route the entire time, not realizing he has one-on-one coverage on the other side. FS stayed at home to cover his deep half of the field because Milroe’s eyes never led him anywhere else. Corner left a lot of room in the flats, as he covered a deeper zone (didn’t want to give up a deep play - keeping everything in front, as I imagine his coach told him). Comeback was virtually impossible here. Big play potential on the other side. I won’t reveal our team, but I’m an OC. We have a call in that situation to check our X to a quick, hot route (probably a hitch). We would also have the option to audible out to get our TE in the flats (makes the corner make a decision - leaves one or the other open).
Point is, Tommy Rees should’ve had this conversation with Jalen after the first time, and every other throw where he was staring down the receiver, and maybe he did…and maybe this is just Jalen not understanding, but it was two bad interceptions, as you all know. One basic thing that even junior high QB’s should know is always look off the safety. That’s so basic. I don’t understand why Jalen wouldn’t try that. I’m not claiming to be some big time OC that knows everything - I’m just a high school ball coach, but these are basics. Very, very basic. I honestly don’t think this would happen with a Kiffin or Sark coached offense.
Just thought I’d break it down for anyone who cares.
Point is, Tommy Rees should’ve had this conversation with Jalen after the first time, and every other throw where he was staring down the receiver, and maybe he did…and maybe this is just Jalen not understanding, but it was two bad interceptions, as you all know. One basic thing that even junior high QB’s should know is always look off the safety. That’s so basic. I don’t understand why Jalen wouldn’t try that. I’m not claiming to be some big time OC that knows everything - I’m just a high school ball coach, but these are basics. Very, very basic. I honestly don’t think this would happen with a Kiffin or Sark coached offense.
Just thought I’d break it down for anyone who cares.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:00 pm to SPennington
quote:I think I saw Milroe do this one time, and it was a positive play. The rest of the time, when his eyes never left his target, it was bad.
One basic thing that even junior high QB’s should know is always look off the safety.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 7:27 pm to SPennington
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SPennington
I don’t think you had this knowledge while you were playing.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 7:56 pm to Syd
Lol touché
This post was edited on 9/17/23 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/17/23 at 11:53 pm to Syd
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I don’t think you had this knowledge while you were playing.
Like with Milroe, maybe he would have had that knowledge with better coaches guiding him. But truth be told, I don't even think Rees knows how to read a defense either.
Appreciate the insight OP. You clearly have more knowledge than most folks here defending Rees...
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:28 am to SPennington
Stevie Wonder can read a defense as well as Milroe.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:47 am to SPennington
Great breakdown.
Based on what you were seeing, do you think Milroe has the game awareness to run the offense as they are drawing it up or would he need something more akin to what Jalen Hurts was running early in his career?
I don’t think they were asking Hurts to process as much even later in his career here as Milroe was and it allowed him to act instead of get locked up mentally which is where his legs were able to hurt the defense.
At least to me it seemed like Hurts was quick RPO read, bootleg, then one downfield read and tuck it.
My huge concern against Texas was it felt like he was seeing the play that the coaches diagrammed for him, but he wasn’t seeing the defense at all which led to the ints and a couple others that should’ve been.
With Simpson I felt like when given time he could run the full offense, but USF isn’t Texas or Ole Miss so I guess we will see…
Based on what you were seeing, do you think Milroe has the game awareness to run the offense as they are drawing it up or would he need something more akin to what Jalen Hurts was running early in his career?
I don’t think they were asking Hurts to process as much even later in his career here as Milroe was and it allowed him to act instead of get locked up mentally which is where his legs were able to hurt the defense.
At least to me it seemed like Hurts was quick RPO read, bootleg, then one downfield read and tuck it.
My huge concern against Texas was it felt like he was seeing the play that the coaches diagrammed for him, but he wasn’t seeing the defense at all which led to the ints and a couple others that should’ve been.
With Simpson I felt like when given time he could run the full offense, but USF isn’t Texas or Ole Miss so I guess we will see…
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:02 am to tide06
Definitely more akin to what Hurts was running. With a QB like Milroe who is struggling, simplicity is best. Like you said, bootlegs, RPO, and all one-read plays. Short game would work wonders for his confidence. Screens to the outside, hitches, dump passes, etc. Just let him build confidence. Tua's RPO magic is something I’d try with Milroe with designed QB run options. The passing game needs to be just enough to make a defense respect it.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:22 am to SPennington
Probably should do what TN did with T Martin. On passing plays, one pre snap read. one post snap read, if you primary receiver isnt open take off running.
GMAC just said all 3 QBs are deeply flawed. He basically said with Buchner, his mechanics are deeply flawed, throws a nose down pass, is short, doesnt know why coaches would even recruit a player like that. However, unlike the other two, he is a good kid and a good teammate. Milroe, cant read a defense, locks in on a receiver, and pouts when things dont go his way. Simpson probably has the most upside, but didnt even come close to winning the job, and pouts when things dont go his way. (I think Simpson is immature, and maybe Milroe too, or they are just spoiled brats.) And, Gmac said the O line is pathetic.
GMAC just said all 3 QBs are deeply flawed. He basically said with Buchner, his mechanics are deeply flawed, throws a nose down pass, is short, doesnt know why coaches would even recruit a player like that. However, unlike the other two, he is a good kid and a good teammate. Milroe, cant read a defense, locks in on a receiver, and pouts when things dont go his way. Simpson probably has the most upside, but didnt even come close to winning the job, and pouts when things dont go his way. (I think Simpson is immature, and maybe Milroe too, or they are just spoiled brats.) And, Gmac said the O line is pathetic.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:26 am to SPennington
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Like you said, bootlegs, RPO, and all one-read plays. Short game would work wonders for his confidence. Screens to the outside, hitches, dump passes, etc. Just let him build confidence. Tua's RPO magic is something I’d try with Milroe with designed QB run options.
Love all of this, I mean where the hell did the RPO slant go? That play was hell on defenses for years with Tua and I haven’t seen it since Sark left.
Milroe for all of his limitations has pretty good touch on his deep ball, if the safeties are coming downhill to stop the run there should be opportunities with Bond and Benson over the top.
Might also let an OL that has some issues with pass pro do what they are probably better suited for: beating people up in a phone booth.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 7:29 am
Posted on 9/18/23 at 7:29 am to IB4bama
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Milroe, cant read a defense, locks in on a receiver, and pouts when things dont go his way. Simpson probably has the most upside, but didnt even come close to winning the job, and pouts when things dont go his way
Saban has consistently said that none of the quarterbacks have a bad attitude. I think they all seem like good guys, they're just not ready at this stage in their development.
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