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re: Is one interception the entire year a bad stat?
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:25 am to IB4bama
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:25 am to IB4bama
Not sure if mentioned, but in 2012 AJ threw only 2 interceptions in the regular season all year.
Both came in the loss to A&M.
He added 1 more in the SECCG against Georgia, for 3 total on the year.
Both came in the loss to A&M.
He added 1 more in the SECCG against Georgia, for 3 total on the year.
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:55 am to 3down10
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Not sure if mentioned, but in 2012 AJ threw only 2 interceptions in the regular season all year.
Both came in the loss to A&M.
He added 1 more in the SECCG against Georgia, for 3 total on the year.
While throwing 30 touchdown passes, and most of them were actually downfield, rather than having to rely mostly on jet sweeps, screens, and quick outs. That's a proficient quarterback. A review of his career stats reveal 77 tds and 15 interceptions.
oh yeah, and a national title in 2012, which followed another one the previous season. It's no coincidence, imo, that a balanced offense with a genuine downfield threat resulted in titles.
This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/12/17 at 12:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I don't think that its a bad stat, but I don't think that it is any secret that Jalen is conservative with the ball.
This all day long. It's a stat that really should only be used in context.
I'll say that it shouldn't be used to support passing proficiency. The way that Hurts operates the passing game, he should never turn the ball over. Only 136 completions on the year. So, he completes just over 11 passes a game. Any interception would leave him with a horrible ratio for the game.
If the trade-off to justify interceptions is splash plays in the passing game, they wouldn't offset in a favorable way.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:10 pm to BamaFinland
As good as a punt? Are you serious? No it isnt, a punt has a unit specially to cover it, an int on a bomb is very dangerous because so many people are downfield and spread out.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:06 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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oh yeah, and a national title in 2012, which followed another one the previous season. It's no coincidence, imo, that a balanced offense with a genuine downfield threat resulted in titles.
Not to mention one of the best olines in recent memory - which i personally think is the major difference between early Saban years vs. the recent Saban years and not so much the quality of the qb play (not saying that 2012/2013 AJ wasn't great or is not the best qb Saban has had).
Also regarding the OP, its certainly a good stat relative to more interceptions. I'm not sure if Hurts is "too conservative" and holds off on throws he could make or if he is just conservative and knows when he can't make a throw. I don't think he has the accuracy you want when asking a qb to throw it in tight windows under duress and the NFL guys you mentioned are NFL qb's for a reason, I don't think its really an equitable comparison.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 11:27 am to IB4bama
I agree with others that Jalen has been coached to take the first read and then run. My biggest complaint with that is we have some outstanding receivers and they never get a chance to make a play on a 50/50 ball.
During the IB, Jalen through what I would consider a 50/50 ball to Jeudy and it resulted in a TD. I wish we could see more of that but it seems as if the 1st read (Ridley) isn't open by a few yards then Jalen has been instructed to run.
The coaches obviously know way more than any of us but I hate to see the talent we have at receiver not get to show out.
During the IB, Jalen through what I would consider a 50/50 ball to Jeudy and it resulted in a TD. I wish we could see more of that but it seems as if the 1st read (Ridley) isn't open by a few yards then Jalen has been instructed to run.
The coaches obviously know way more than any of us but I hate to see the talent we have at receiver not get to show out.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:15 pm to IB4bama
I think you are right. Hurts still is a below average passer but he certainly has been coached to avoid turnovers at all costs. Saban is ultra conservative with his quarterbacks. They aren't asked to win the game, they are only expected not to lose it.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:57 am to Commander Data
Saban has a phobia when it comes to turnovers. And with good reason; the winner of the TO battle usually wins the game with overwhelming odds on your side.
However, there comes a point where you are shutting yourself down just to avoid turnovers. To take it to the extreme, I can avoid turnovers completely in every game if I just take a knee for 3 plays and punt every possession. I probably won't win many games, but I will win every TO battle. That's focusing on a symptom and ignoring the disease. And that's what we are doing.
There are good turnovers and bad turnovers. Good turnovers are getting the ball knocked out while fighting for extra yards or throwing it into a crowd on a Hail Mary and it getting picked off. It's going to happen and it should happen on occasion if you are playing the game the right way. Bad turnovers are just being careless with the football. You try to avoid those at all costs. But to try and avoid all turnovers regardless of the circumstances is being blinded to the forest for the trees. We have to be smarter than that.
However, there comes a point where you are shutting yourself down just to avoid turnovers. To take it to the extreme, I can avoid turnovers completely in every game if I just take a knee for 3 plays and punt every possession. I probably won't win many games, but I will win every TO battle. That's focusing on a symptom and ignoring the disease. And that's what we are doing.
There are good turnovers and bad turnovers. Good turnovers are getting the ball knocked out while fighting for extra yards or throwing it into a crowd on a Hail Mary and it getting picked off. It's going to happen and it should happen on occasion if you are playing the game the right way. Bad turnovers are just being careless with the football. You try to avoid those at all costs. But to try and avoid all turnovers regardless of the circumstances is being blinded to the forest for the trees. We have to be smarter than that.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:18 am to phil4bama
Considering Jalen’s passing skills, Saban should be highly turnover averse. OTOH, if Jalen was a legit passer who could throw a lot of difficult balls we’ll, etc., then the benefits may well outweigh the consequences.
In other words, throwing 10 balls into tight coverage or out of the break or throwing a receiver open might result in 3 successful throws for Jalen, 6 incompletions and 1 interception. Clearly that int. isn’t a good trade off. You might look at 15 successful throws 4 incompletions and 1 int. as a good trade off.
In other words, throwing 10 balls into tight coverage or out of the break or throwing a receiver open might result in 3 successful throws for Jalen, 6 incompletions and 1 interception. Clearly that int. isn’t a good trade off. You might look at 15 successful throws 4 incompletions and 1 int. as a good trade off.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:18 pm to IB4bama
My dad always said “if you ain’t getting hung up, you ain't catching crappie.”
Same goes for passing, I suppose.
Same goes for passing, I suppose.
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