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Is one interception the entire year a bad stat?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 7:56 am
I personally think Jalen might be coached to be way to conservative with the ball. Maybe he is so afraid of making a mistake that he wont turn loose of the ball unless the receiver is wide open. But his biggest problem is taking off out of the back of the pocket instead of looking for a crease to step up into to either throw the ball or run forward. You watch the pros and that's all they do. If they don't see someone immediately open, they they look ahead for a crease to step up into, then look ahead for a crossing route. Again, there is probably less chance of turning the ball over if your QB takes off around right end and throws the ball into the stands, but also no chance of making a play. We just do the most conservative thing possible.
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 8:26 am to IB4bama
I don't think that its a bad stat, but I don't think that it is any secret that Jalen is conservative with the ball.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 8:27 am to IB4bama
It depends on who you talk to, if we had an interception and lost a game the narrative would be " Jalen is way to careless with the ball". If he has few interceptions and we lose a game its " He is way to conservative". If we win the natty its " whatever we won". People naturally want to blame something.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 9:25 am to CrimsonBoz
I like Jalen - he's a winner. You want a winner at the QB position. What he needs to improve on is stepping up in the pocket and looking for the next guy before freaking out and tucking it. I have gone back and watched old games and you see as soon as Jalen drops his head and tucks it, there is a guy breaking open across the field. If he can improve that, then we would be unstoppable on offense.
I do feel Tua is more advanced at this. However, Jalen has lost 2 games in 2 years...so.
I do feel Tua is more advanced at this. However, Jalen has lost 2 games in 2 years...so.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 9:27 am to IB4bama
If you’re asking if AJs 3 ints in 2012 are better than Hurt’s 1 then yes. But it is not a bad stat
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:08 am to CrimsonBoz
Simply saying if you see a stat that shows one int for the entire year, it probably tells most coaches something. Cecil Hurt said before the season that Alabama could probably not throw a pass the entire year and win 8 games based on talent alone. I think Ala coaches probably build that mentality into the way we coach our QBs. Don't make mistakes and we have a high chance of winning. However, when Tua does get into the game, we don't look nearly as conservative. Phil Savage said the coaches obviously have a good bit of confidence in Tagoviola because he comes in and they pass on first and second down. Jalen was obviously told last year to not take any chances. They wouldn't even let him throw over the middle. So, his entire football career has been take one look and run. And maybe that is what Saban is still most comfortable with.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:03 pm to IB4bama
If Jalen cost us a game with an int, it would be why can't he just throw that away, can't have turnovers. If he takes off to try to get some yards on a busted play it's why didn't he stay in the pocket, step up. If he gets sacked a bunch cause there is no pocket, it's he holds onto the ball too long, should run it, etc...
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:10 pm to IB4bama
Int is the most overrated stat in football. A long missed bomb on 3rd and 15 that turns into an interception is as good as a punt. I truly only consider redzone int's as a nono. Would rather see a player take some chances like Favre and Fran.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:12 pm to IB4bama
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:20 pm to narddogg81
quote:Is there any criticism you would entertain?
If Jalen cost us a game with an int, it would be why can't he just throw that away, can't have turnovers. If he takes off to try to get some yards on a busted play it's why didn't he stay in the pocket, step up. If he gets sacked a bunch cause there is no pocket, it's he holds onto the ball too long, should run it, etc...
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:28 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
The best NFL QBs throw picks all the time. Not necessarily every game, but still
If you have a great passing game, and you're passing a lot downfield, you're going to have ints - it's just part of it. But like someone else said, INTs aren't necessarily the worst thing in the world. They're generally not as bad as fumbles because they typically happen more downfield.
ie an interception after a 50 yard drive isn't as bad as a 3 and out. A 3 and out is one of the worst things possible in this era. You give your defense no rest, you kill momentum, and you're probably losing the field position battle
If you have a great passing game, and you're passing a lot downfield, you're going to have ints - it's just part of it. But like someone else said, INTs aren't necessarily the worst thing in the world. They're generally not as bad as fumbles because they typically happen more downfield.
ie an interception after a 50 yard drive isn't as bad as a 3 and out. A 3 and out is one of the worst things possible in this era. You give your defense no rest, you kill momentum, and you're probably losing the field position battle
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:27 pm to IB4bama
Context matters.
Being uber aggressive like Aaron Rodgers and having 3 ints is ridiculous. Being super conservative and having one int isn't surprising.
Plus tips and dropped ints play into it. That Auburn endzone pass is as good as an int but isn't on the statsheet. Whereas a WR tipping a fully catchable ball into the secondary is an int you can disregard
Being uber aggressive like Aaron Rodgers and having 3 ints is ridiculous. Being super conservative and having one int isn't surprising.
Plus tips and dropped ints play into it. That Auburn endzone pass is as good as an int but isn't on the statsheet. Whereas a WR tipping a fully catchable ball into the secondary is an int you can disregard
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:11 pm to IB4bama
Which is the better passing stat for a game you won by two scores?
8/13/0 140yd 1TD
18/25/2 350yds 3TDS
I'll take the later all day long.
8/13/0 140yd 1TD
18/25/2 350yds 3TDS
I'll take the later all day long.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:24 pm to IB4bama
Our third down conversions could use some work.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:38 pm to Crimson Wraith
Ohio State beat Miami in 2003 b/c of turnovers.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 6:18 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Ohio State beat Miami in 2003 b/c of turnovers.
I suppose a good number of games have been decided by turnovers in the last 14 years. I can't think of a specific game, but Alabama may even have lost a game or two because of turnovers in that time frame. We've also lost games simply because we couldn't score more points than the other team. Our last game comes immediately to mind. With the exception of a couple of LSU games, I don't remember the last time during Saban's tenure that we managed only 14 points.
I just looked it up. Arkansas in 2014. Unless I missed one or more, the only other time since 2007 was the 12-10 victory over UT in 2009.
I would also note that the game has changed a lot since 2003. You generally need to have a pretty good offense these days to win championships. Our offense right now looks like a high school pickup game on the PE field, which is a damn shame, considering all the talent going to waste. Hey, but we're not throwing interceptions, so we got that going for us. Well, and we pound the hell out of the relatively weak teams on the schedule.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 12/11/17 at 6:23 pm to 1ManWolfPack
Actually he is not. He holds the ball too long and takes sacks he doesn't need to or he just runs out of bounds for a 10 yard loss. He was playing very well for a period but he regressed against auburn. He will start against clemson and he should butbif he doesn't improve it will be a long night.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 2:17 am to labamafan
I love Jalen and I hope nothing more than for him to lead us to a victory against Clemson. With that being said I do hope that if he struggles to move the ball that our coaching staff doesn’t hesitate to shake things up and put Tua in to see if it gives us a spark. At this point, with everything being on the line in this one game I’d rather try something different and living with the results rather than living with the what if.
It’s a unfortunate situation that we are in because Jalen is a winner and I have no doubt that he’s doing every thing that he’s capable of. It’s kinda like watching your children play sports and knowing their limitations.
It’s a unfortunate situation that we are in because Jalen is a winner and I have no doubt that he’s doing every thing that he’s capable of. It’s kinda like watching your children play sports and knowing their limitations.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 3:41 am to IB4bama
Throwing the ball away or running out of bounds chronically avoids INT's but it also kills all our drives.
So yes, being too conservative can kill you just a slower, more drawn out death.
So yes, being too conservative can kill you just a slower, more drawn out death.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:21 am to IAmReality
With 120 yards passing a game, hell I yes it’s a bad stat. If he was 0 for 0 with 0 tds and 0 interceptions, would that be a good stat?
We have a qb who is too scared to release the ball and usually pulls it down and runs.
Get real people. This is getting old.
We have a qb who is too scared to release the ball and usually pulls it down and runs.
Get real people. This is getting old.
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