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re: Interesting comments on Bama QBs
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:20 pm to Bolivar Shagnasty
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:20 pm to Bolivar Shagnasty
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I hope there are packages and thing set up and that, if Tua is the starter, then Jalen has a role and position and can successfully help the team
I expect some quintuple option plays in all seriousness.
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:30 pm to prevatt33
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You do you, man. I was just sharing info, as I think we as fans can only get a clear picture by getting info from multiple viewpoints. However, you seem to really want to believe something very specific, so I'll leave you to it.
You seem a little defensive. I'm not critiquing you, only the observer who called Tia a project. It's not really my opinion either, all the other guys there observing and writing were raving about his arm strength and accuracy. Some even said he looks just like a right handed Tua. He made the Elite 11 finals, so the camp evaluators seemed to agree. Kid is a talented QB. Hardly a project. Poor word choice from the guy who said it based on everything else every other expert who was present had to say. If you want to roll with the one outlier who was there, cool. I'll go with the consensus.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:00 pm to tider04
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Kid is a talented QB. Hardly a project
This is my point, and I know you meant nothing personal to me, and I don't mean the following as personal to you:
You are overly-defining a word for a speaker and then critiquing his use of it - without even listening to the speaker. That's just an asinine thing for a person to do. Is it a small enough thing that I should've let it go? Maybe, but I didn't. It was just ludicrous.
No one said he wasn't talented, and Feldman even said the ball comes out of his hand in the same explosive way as Tua. As I said before, you haven't even listened to the podcast nor have you listened to me, which was to say that most words have multiple meanings and context is of the utmost importance. Furthermore, you were critiquing a man's word choice based on paraphrasing, and he was directly talking about the fact that by QB standards, Tualia is damn near tiny at this juncture and therefore must develop, and used project in the context of that development.
Project can mean many things, and used as explained, it was speaking to his physical maturity, which is a perfectly viable reason to state that someone isn't ready. Just because it doesn't fit your narrow-minded definition of that word as it pertains to QBs is a silly reason to hate, even if the hate was mild.
Not one person - me, other folks in this thread, nor Bruce Feldman has poured any salt on your "Tualia is talented" narrative. It's just silly.
You just want to argue against any critique of the kid.
And on a related topic, I value any and all info I can get on Bama players, and the more contrary the opinion, the more likely it's worthwhile info. This fanbase supports quite a bustling economy as it pertains to Bama info, and sunshine-pumping generates more clicks and revenue. I like the whole truth, and my whole truth includes the fact that a respectable CFB journalist stood next to a future Bama QB who's big news and told me he looks a good ways away physically.
Why would anyone hate on that?
I just think what you did was petty. I don't mean this personally. Just a description of the action. Bama fans need to accept reality sometimes. Dude is 5'11" as a high school senior. I've watched his high school highlights, and he was the shortest player on his high school offense, and as far as reasons to slow the hype train a tad, that's a good reason to.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:15 pm to tider04
Sorry, one more thing. I thought it particularly worthwhile to note that if you listened to the podcast, you would discover that when Feldman started talking about this topic, it wasn't a topic about Bama QBs or anything. It was a topic about his time spent at the Elite 11 camp. And when he started talking about the QBs, he noted that the "camp counselors" (using my term) were a much more impressive lot than the campers. And then when he speaks about the kids at the camp, he talks about 7 or 8 QBs maybe before he even mentions Tua, as he was kinda starting at the top.
And to me, it's interesting to hear that the QB (that many Bama Fans have already declared the heir apparent to Tua) is so small that he falls that far down the list of "QBs worth talking about at at the Elite 11" in a bad recruiting year for the position.
That's newsworthy. And critiquing a word choice in a sentence he used wouldn't be time well spent, as it has nothing to do with the narrative you're arguing for.
And to me, it's interesting to hear that the QB (that many Bama Fans have already declared the heir apparent to Tua) is so small that he falls that far down the list of "QBs worth talking about at at the Elite 11" in a bad recruiting year for the position.
That's newsworthy. And critiquing a word choice in a sentence he used wouldn't be time well spent, as it has nothing to do with the narrative you're arguing for.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:28 pm to prevatt33
Last one, don't think I'm not a Tualia fan - I most certainly am.
I most certainly want him to be and hope that he turns out to be a great Bama QB in the future, and I'm very happy that he committed to us as he can spin it by reports. I also very much want him to grow a couple more inches or 3.
I most certainly want him to be and hope that he turns out to be a great Bama QB in the future, and I'm very happy that he committed to us as he can spin it by reports. I also very much want him to grow a couple more inches or 3.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:52 pm to prevatt33
The how dare you say that about Saban,Bama or any Bama player or re re recruit are the worse.
Sabans an average in game coach.
Sabans an average in game coach.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 4:14 pm to JBearden
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The how dare you say that about Saban,Bama or any Bama player or re re recruit are the worse.
Sabans an average in game coach.
You can take a Mulligan if you want. Nobody's behind us. Maybe tee one up and take another swing.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 5:30 pm to prevatt33
A little additional info about Tualia physically:
I listened to another podcast involving Greg Byrne, whose been at every Elite 11 going back 15 years as an analyst. Byrne, when specifically asked to compare the 4 recruits committed to Bama and auburn (2 each) and state which program had the brightest future, spoke about Tua for a sec and said that last year, Tua was "...putting it nicely here, a bit on the chunkier side..." and had slimmed down quite a bit since last year. He also said Tua had the most arm strength on display of any attendees, maybe tied with another guy. He's listed at 5'11.5", 202 lbs.
Hopefully, he's filling out late and will hit another growth spurt senior year.
FYI, Byrne gave the edge to auburn because of Bo Nix.
I listened to another podcast involving Greg Byrne, whose been at every Elite 11 going back 15 years as an analyst. Byrne, when specifically asked to compare the 4 recruits committed to Bama and auburn (2 each) and state which program had the brightest future, spoke about Tua for a sec and said that last year, Tua was "...putting it nicely here, a bit on the chunkier side..." and had slimmed down quite a bit since last year. He also said Tua had the most arm strength on display of any attendees, maybe tied with another guy. He's listed at 5'11.5", 202 lbs.
Hopefully, he's filling out late and will hit another growth spurt senior year.
FYI, Byrne gave the edge to auburn because of Bo Nix.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 5:32 pm to prevatt33
I also read in the recruiting thread that folks were really criticising Paul Tyson pretty bad so we may be in trouble down the road if we believe the critics.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 5:41 pm to Commander Data
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Explanation: My info was wrong due to getting a 2017 article mixed up in my searching.
Explanation: My info was wrong due to getting a 2017 article mixed up in my searching.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 6:39 pm to prevatt33
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This is my point, and I know you meant nothing personal to me, and I don't mean the following as personal to you:
You are overly-defining a word for a speaker and then critiquing his use of it - without even listening to the speaker. That's just an asinine thing for a person to do. Is it a small enough thing that I should've let it go? Maybe, but I didn't. It was just ludicrous.
No one said he wasn't talented, and Feldman even said the ball comes out of his hand in the same explosive way as Tua. As I said before, you haven't even listened to the podcast nor have you listened to me, which was to say that most words have multiple meanings and context is of the utmost importance. Furthermore, you were critiquing a man's word choice based on paraphrasing, and he was directly talking about the fact that by QB standards, Tualia is damn near tiny at this juncture and therefore must develop, and used project in the context of that development.
Project can mean many things, and used as explained, it was speaking to his physical maturity, which is a perfectly viable reason to state that someone isn't ready. Just because it doesn't fit your narrow-minded definition of that word as it pertains to QBs is a silly reason to hate, even if the hate was mild.
Not one person - me, other folks in this thread, nor Bruce Feldman has poured any salt on your "Tualia is talented" narrative. It's just silly.
You just want to argue against any critique of the kid.
And on a related topic, I value any and all info I can get on Bama players, and the more contrary the opinion, the more likely it's worthwhile info. This fanbase supports quite a bustling economy as it pertains to Bama info, and sunshine-pumping generates more clicks and revenue. I like the whole truth, and my whole truth includes the fact that a respectable CFB journalist stood next to a future Bama QB who's big news and told me he looks a good ways away physically.
Why would anyone hate on that?
I just think what you did was petty. I don't mean this personally. Just a description of the action. Bama fans need to accept reality sometimes. Dude is 5'11" as a high school senior. I've watched his high school highlights, and he was the shortest player on his high school offense, and as far as reasons to slow the hype train a tad, that's a good reason to.
Mercy. That's a ton of typing to say; "I'm butt hurt that you disagree with my definition of a word." Sorry you don't like that I think your definition of that word isn't the best one. Actually I'm not. Get over yourself.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 6:55 pm to prevatt33
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Both Tualia and Tyson made the Finals Roster of 24. Neither advanced to The Opening, which features the top 12 from the Finals Roster.
Wrong. Tualia advanced to The Opening as he was one of the top 12 QB's at the Elite 11. Tyson didn't make it.
https://www.theopening.com/copy-of-2017-finals-roster
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:06 pm to Commander Data
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I also read in the recruiting thread that folks were really criticising Paul Tyson pretty bad so we may be in trouble down the road if we believe the critics.
According to reports, Tyson had a bad 1st day, in part because of high winds. Had a much better 2nd day, and had great stats in team 7-7. His 1st day sunk him, unfortunately. But he's definitely not a bad prospect. Will probably make a very solid back-up most of his career at Bama, but that's a hugely important position for any football team.
Bottom line, we have Tua for 2-3 more years. We likely have Jalen for 1 more year. We have Mac Jones for 4 more years, assuming he sticks around. Then we're bringing in 2 Elite 11 QB's in Tia and Tyson. And we'll likely sign an elite QB the next cycle. Not sure we've ever been in such a great situation at the position, in all honesty. Some of you guys just like to worry, it seems. If you must worry--you can start with our DL and ILB depth. Add punter to your worry list as well.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:13 pm to tider04
tider04 - Why do folks like you think a lot of words is a lot of work? It isn't. I have my own business and have lots of time on my hands. I enjoyed myself arguing with you, or really anyone for that matter during this dead period. Trust me, if I had had something better to talk about, I would have. Catching small fish is better than not fishing.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:15 pm to tider04
Yes, you are correct. I got a 2017 link mixed up in my searching.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:23 pm to prevatt33
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tider04 - Why do folks like you think a lot of words is a lot of work? It isn't. I have my own business and have lots of time on my hands. I enjoyed myself arguing with you, or really anyone for that matter during this dead period. Trust me, if I had had something better to talk about, I would have. Catching small fish is better than not fishing.
Fair enough.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:24 pm to tider04
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:29 pm to prevatt33
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Yes, you are correct. I got a 2017 link mixed up in my searching.
I pretty much always am.
As a side note, if Tia is 5'11.5 right now as you say (basically 6 foot) and hasn't even started his senior year of high school yet, it's probable that he'll end up somewhere in the 6 to 6'1 range...which is exactly where his bro is. Doesn't seem to be a problem for Tua--so not sure why anyone would think it will be for Tia. And being 6'0 and 200+ pounds as a high school junior doesn't make you a physical project. Brodie and AJ were physical projects. They came in at 6'3 and like 165. They needed tons of weight so they didn't break in half against an SEC defense. No such issue with Tia, who has already shed bad weight and looks like a slightly smaller clone of his bro. I just don't think the observation was accurate. Sue me.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:53 pm to tider04
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As a side note, if Tia is 5'11.5 right now as you say (basically 6 foot) and hasn't even started his senior year of high school yet, it's probable that he'll end up somewhere in the 6 to 6'1 range...which is exactly where his bro is.
Let's take this side note and move it to the forefront. Tua was listed at 6'1" by the recruiting sites at this exact same age. And so Tualia is an inch and a half shorter than his brother, who's already considered short for the position.
I am happy that Tualia can spin it, but he was the 2nd shortest of the 24 Elite 11 finalists and is sub 6', when the other big time recruits his age are much taller. Maybe he'll grow and I hope he does, but to ignore or push aside that our best QB recruit this cycle is sub 6 feet is some serious sunshine pumping, particularly when his brother didn't keep growing much after the same age.
I'm also happy to see you laughing at yourself. It's well deserved.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:06 pm to prevatt33
Put me down as someone who doesn't think he will grown much more. I hope that I'm wrong
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