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Posted on 3/17/20 at 9:42 am to The Spleen
Posted on 3/17/20 at 9:42 am to The Spleen
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And this goes back to my original point. When this was first starting the president said the virus was contained, then a week later said those who want to get tested, can get tested. Neither of those statements were even close to accurate. Yet the knee-jerk for so many is to blame the media? Sure, they've sensationalized it and added to the hysteria, but how does he escape any criticism or culpability?
To his credit, I think the gravity of the situation has finally gotten through to him and he's saying, and hopefully doing, the right things.
He's rebounded well, but that original response was foolhardy and reckless. I typically don't care for the guy but I can give him credit when its due...but that was bad. Hopefully he doesn't go full retard and start blaming the deep state. If he goes back off the rails, we're fricked.
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:23 pm to The Spleen
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To his credit, I think the gravity of the situation has finally gotten through to him and he's saying, and hopefully doing, the right things.
The Trump I've seen at the press conferences over the last two days is by far the best version of Trump I've seen since he got into politics. Looks in command, serious, and Presidential.
I think we can harp on some things he or his admin did early on but I think they are doing all they can right now. I don't have this feeling that they are really dropping ball in a catastrophic way like I did in the past with Bush & Katrina.
BTW, I'm not saying Trump isn't worthy of criticism (Lord knows he can clown it up at any given moment) but we're in the midst of a national crisis that is on par with 9/11, WW2, the Cuban Missle Crisis and such. Really need to come together right now. IMO, the time for pearl clutching over bullshite like "I can't believe Trump's calling it the Wuhan Virus!!!" needs to stop. I'd be supporting Obama right now in the same way.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:31 pm to FairhopeTider
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The Trump I've seen at the press conferences over the last two days is by far the best version of Trump I've seen since he got into politics. Looks in command, serious, and Presidential.
I think we can harp on some things he or his admin did early on but I think they are doing all they can right now. I don't have this feeling that they are really dropping ball in a catastrophic way like I did in the past with Bush & Katrina.
BTW, I'm not saying Trump isn't worthy of criticism (Lord knows he can clown it up at any given moment) but we're in the midst of a national crisis that is on par with 9/11, WW2, the Cuban Missle Crisis and such. Really need to come together right now. IMO, the time for pearl clutching over bull shite like "I can't believe Trump's calling it the Wuhan Virus!!!" needs to stop. I'd be supporting Obama right now in the same way.
Wholeheartedly agree on all points.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:27 pm to FairhopeTider
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but we're in the midst of a national crisis that is on par with 9/11, WW2, the Cuban Missle Crisis and such. Really need to come together right now.
While I don't disagree with this, I also strongly feel the time to come together, and the time to expect leadership from the WH, was 3 or 4 weeks ago, possibly even longer ago than that, not this week. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we are finally getting that, I just wonder how much disruption and hardship we could have avoided with a better response from the WH, and Trump specifically. Maybe we'd be in the same situation we are in now, but I doubt it.
And even despite the better response, there are still absolute head scratching reports. Telling governors to get needed ventilators themselves(assuming that report is true) is just jaw dropping. And he's sent out at least 2 Tweets today attacking and criticizing certain governors.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:32 pm to The Spleen
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NY TIMES – Hours earlier, Mr. Trump told a group of governors that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus.
“Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves,” Mr. Trump told the governors during the conference call, a recording of which was shared with The New York Times.
“We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself
What he said is true, when you add the rest of the quote.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:35 pm to The Spleen
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the time to expect leadership from the WH, was 3 or 4 weeks ago, possibly even longer ago than that, not this week.
What were they supposed to do about this over a month ago? The damn Chinese hid this from the world for two months and started this whole hysterical mess. Blame them for the slow response. If they were actually trustworthy with their reports we may have been able to get in front of this a lot sooner.
ETA: That's not even mentioning the tens of thousands of Chinese nationals who go to college in the United States. All those assholes flew home for the holidays in December and brought that shite back with them.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/17/20 at 1:54 pm to TideSaint
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What were they supposed to do about this over a month ago?
Well, had Trump and Bolton not disbanded the pandemic task force within the NSC, they might have known a hell of a lot more than they did, despite however China handled it. Even absent that, they could have looked to South Korea and their response in late January. But with the proper departments in place, the infrastructure and supplies would have been much more accessible when cases started popping up here. We likely wouldn't be seeing such difficulties getting test kits, and we would likely have had a coherent protocol for positive results. Doctors are still having issues getting the proper test kits today.
Look, I don't have an expectation for perfection. These things are fluid, and very challenging. It takes a lot of effort, from a lot of different people and agencies. Mistakes are expected, and can be acceptable under the circumstances. Mistakes that left us unprepared for the crisis, then a slowed response to the growing crisis, topped with disinformation from the President on the situation are beyond any reasonable level of acceptance.
And as I said earlier in the thread, I couldn't really care less about China's response. With the proper protocols in place on the front end, we could have easily overcome any untrustworthy reports out of China. Those issues didn't plague South Korea or Singapore in their respective responses, and people are using it as a cop out so as to avoid placing blame with this administration.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:12 pm to The Spleen
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We likely wouldn't be seeing such difficulties getting test kits, and we would likely have had a coherent protocol for positive results.
Wasn’t the CDC also to blame there? They refused the WHO’s test kits and ended up using their own which had defects.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:13 pm to The Spleen
with The benefit of hindsight, one gets a full range of “I told you sos.”
Now is not the time for continuing the 24 hour Anti-Trump witch-hunt. We have a pandemic and fellow citizens to be concerned about.
Now is not the time for continuing the 24 hour Anti-Trump witch-hunt. We have a pandemic and fellow citizens to be concerned about.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:17 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Wasn’t the CDC also to blame there? They refused the WHO’s test kits and ended up using their own which had defects.
POssibly. I haven't seen any explanation on why we refused the WHO's test kits, of which they had a plentiful supply.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 3:04 pm to The Spleen
I think they said they were worried about WHO’s tests giving false positives. Point is the CDC wasn’t prepared either and deserves quite a bit of blame. And it’s not just with this. There have been reports detailing numerous incidents that have taken place in their labs (including the level 4 ones) through the last several years.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 3:30 pm to The Spleen
quote:It was addressed today. She said that other tests used around the world were not of the same quality as the ones in the US. Said they provided more false positives and false results than the US ones. & the US are FDA approved, the others from other parts of the world were not FDA approved.
I haven't seen any explanation on why we refused the WHO's test kits, of which they had a plentiful supply.
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Ambassador Brix also said regarding testing that she believed we would see in the next few weeks that “other tests that were used around the world were not of the same quality” as the ones that are being deployed in the U.S., and that have been approved by the FDA for use by private labs. These provided more false positives and false results than the tests that will be in use in the U.S., she said, leading to potentially inaccurate data.
The U.S. reportedly refused use of WHO-prepared coronavirus testing kits early on in the COVID-19 outbreak, opting instead to develop its own via the CDC, though Admiral Giroir said that as far as he could discern, no one made an offer that the U.S. could refuse.
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 6:03 pm to jatebe
Florida just cancelled all schools until April 15th by order of the governor.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:13 pm to phil4bama
Yep also giving the option to hold kids back, I guess they are going to try the online school for a filler. He is also cutting the bars, restaurants to half capacity etc.
The beaches are packed here, the distance thing is not going to work on these people. Walton County Sheriff was love earlier and basically said anything in the order can be enforced up to a 2nd degree misdemeanor but, how can they even enforce this stuff constitutionally and legally. He said he expects to be sued starting tomorrow.
The beaches are packed here, the distance thing is not going to work on these people. Walton County Sheriff was love earlier and basically said anything in the order can be enforced up to a 2nd degree misdemeanor but, how can they even enforce this stuff constitutionally and legally. He said he expects to be sued starting tomorrow.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:21 pm to CrimsonBoz
The ABC board has issued an emergency memorandum allowing businesses to sell beer wine and liquor to go for all food to go orders in Alabama.
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:43 pm to jatebe
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The ABC board has issued an emergency memorandum allowing businesses to sell beer wine and liquor to go for all food to go orders in Alabama.
Why is this necessary
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:57 pm to CrimsonShadow
Probably because alcohol has such a huge markup, the restaurant industry complained about how much profit would be lost with no bar tabs, so the ABC caved and will let them serve it with to go orders.
But how long until someone has a wreck and blames it on the restaurant for serving them alcohol to go, thus enabling them to drink and drive?
But how long until someone has a wreck and blames it on the restaurant for serving them alcohol to go, thus enabling them to drink and drive?
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 3/17/20 at 9:21 pm to phil4bama
I'm hearing the beer trucks that supply the stores are going to stop rolling in south Alabama.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 7:51 am to FairhopeTider
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The Trump I've seen at the press conferences over the last two days is by far the best version of Trump I've seen since he got into politics. Looks in command, serious, and Presidential.
What does that have to do with anything? The results are the results. Frankly, his persona will always be wrapped in a nutty package. Who doesn't understand the man's presentation by now? You harp on it like it's going somewhere. Teddy Roosevelt wasn't grinning because he was happy.
He was mostly gritting his teeth and balling up his fist because of emotional issues. He had a severe breakdown at a relatively young age. Mental health issues were running rampant in his family tree and even lost a son to suicide as well.
Head's up, it's that "Teddy" that's up on Mount Rushmore.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:10 am to phil4bama
The comments in here have been well reasoned and beneficial. ‘Preciate it fellas.
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