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re: I don't think we're going to need elite QB play to win a national title this year...
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:05 am to CrimsonBuddha
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:05 am to CrimsonBuddha
How do you define a “running QB at Alabama”? Please name Alabama running QBs.
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:19 am to tattoo
Hurts and Sims come to mind.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 8:42 am to CrimsonBuddha
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Greg McElroy, Jake Coker, or AJ McCarron.
All very different QBs.
GMAC was average talent at best but very cerebral.
Coker had the size, toughness and tools but not the mental aspects of GMAC.
Aj doesn't belong in the conversation with either of the above. He was a true talent. Had he been a QB in the post-Kiffin Bama offenses, he'd be even more of a Crimson legend.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 9:48 am to Bama72
Hurts could be considered a "running QB", though IMO, "dual threat" would be much more accurate: He ran for 63 ypg and passed for 185 in 2016.
Inaccurate to define Sims as a "running QB": He ran for 25 ypg and passed for 250 ypg in 2014. (Ken Stabler ran for 40 ypg and passed for 95 ypg in 1966; even Namath ran for 20 ypg and passed for 77 ypg in 1963. They are never referred to as "running QBs".)
Inaccurate to define Sims as a "running QB": He ran for 25 ypg and passed for 250 ypg in 2014. (Ken Stabler ran for 40 ypg and passed for 95 ypg in 1966; even Namath ran for 20 ypg and passed for 77 ypg in 1963. They are never referred to as "running QBs".)
Posted on 8/19/23 at 9:58 am to Che Boludo
Agree that AJ was not in the same conversation with GM - he was often a weapon in the passing game.
Jake Coker also made one big play after another at very key points in multiple big games. The sideline throw to Stewart on a big 3rd down vs Clemson was one of the greatest and most clutch throws in Bama history. IMO, he is another level above GM. His 2015 performance is typically underappreciated.
I appreciate GM, but he had two big moments, though they were huge: vs AU, then UF in the 09 SECC game.
Jake Coker also made one big play after another at very key points in multiple big games. The sideline throw to Stewart on a big 3rd down vs Clemson was one of the greatest and most clutch throws in Bama history. IMO, he is another level above GM. His 2015 performance is typically underappreciated.
I appreciate GM, but he had two big moments, though they were huge: vs AU, then UF in the 09 SECC game.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:23 am to tattoo
Yes. The point is, Alabama does best when we have a game manager at QB, which doesn't necessarily mean they're limited in ability. Mac Jones may have been the best game manager we ever had.
If you look at
Greg McElroy
AJ McCarron
Jake Coker
Mac Jones
Who is the closest guy on the roster to those guys? It's either Simpson, or Lonergan
If you look at
Greg McElroy
AJ McCarron
Jake Coker
Mac Jones
Who is the closest guy on the roster to those guys? It's either Simpson, or Lonergan
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:39 am to CrimsonBuddha
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Greg McElroy
AJ McCarron
Jake Coker
Mac Jones
I would rather have Bryce or Tua than any of those QBs except for Mac. I would love to have any of these 3 (Tua, Mac or Bryce) this year. The team would probably be the favorite for the NC. IMO as it is, it's probably a half-level behind the favorites. Many questions regarding this program and team. If the mental and physical toughness return, I'm happy with however it turns out, knowing that championships await, but if the proclamations are as empty as last year, which I doubt because of the new coordinators, this unprecedented run is surely over.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:43 am to CrimsonBuddha
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Mac Jones may have been the best game manager we ever had.
Likely correct
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Who is the closest guy on the roster to those guys
Milroe and Simpson sample sizes are too small and the other is completely unproven in real game play.Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:55 am to Che Boludo
Honestly, I am taking Mac Jones and maybe even McElroy and JPE over Tua and Bryce. As great of quarterbacks as they were, we were soft when we had them. We were pass, pass, pass and could not run effectively when we needed to. Who here thinks we would be smash mouth , tough on both sides of the line if Tua or Bryce was QB? There is no way that either of those guys would hand the ball off 50-55% of plays. We were so unbalanced under those guys. It was first down run for 1 yard and pass on second and third downs. We even had to pass inside the 5 yard line because we could not trust our line to get push.
I get that it was BOB’s offense, but it was everything that Alabama fans hate.
Saban has taken his medicine. He is going back to what has always worked and still does work.
I get that it was BOB’s offense, but it was everything that Alabama fans hate.
Saban has taken his medicine. He is going back to what has always worked and still does work.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 1:18 pm to LovetheLord
quote:IMO, the QB is not the problem regarding attitude, it is the head coach. The true GOAT did a great job in adjusting to the focus on offense in college football, but IMO, overdid it to a certain degree; that, coupled with his infatuation with Golding's philosophical-only grasp of Saban's adjusted defense, produced a sickening softness in mentality and physicality.
Who here thinks we would be smash mouth , tough on both sides of the line if Tua or Bryce was QB?
So, again, IMO, it is not a QB problem but a HC'ing problem that was superficially addressed last year but has now been tangibly addressed by the change in coordinators. Hopefully, it takes this time.
IMO, Golding's style of coaching was a primary issue. O'Brien, whatever his faults, had little to do with the softness that had permeated the program.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 1:43 pm to tattoo
I’ve been educated.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 4:07 pm to RollTide1987
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How long has it been since we've truly had a liability at the position who was a full-time starter
Spencer Pennington. So about 20 years
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:56 pm to harmonics
I disagree. You aren’t winning a NC or even an SEC championship in the NIL era without high level QB play.
Before someone chimes in with UGA/Stetson Bennett, I’ll just point out he’s an NFL backup right now who had a 176 and 162 passer rating. His physical skills were average but his output was really, really good from an efficiency standpoint.
Before that who is the last CFB NC winning team whose QB didn’t play in the NFL? Coker? Even Jake had a 147 rating which isn’t bad at all (and Henry/Drake/Harris to hand the ball to which is almost a cheat code).
The rules are stacked for elite passing teams and if you can’t win a shootout against elite or playoff level teams your odds are horrible even with an all-time great defense like UGA had the last few years. Without game ending drives and a quality passing game they don’t win a single championship.
Before someone chimes in with UGA/Stetson Bennett, I’ll just point out he’s an NFL backup right now who had a 176 and 162 passer rating. His physical skills were average but his output was really, really good from an efficiency standpoint.
Before that who is the last CFB NC winning team whose QB didn’t play in the NFL? Coker? Even Jake had a 147 rating which isn’t bad at all (and Henry/Drake/Harris to hand the ball to which is almost a cheat code).
The rules are stacked for elite passing teams and if you can’t win a shootout against elite or playoff level teams your odds are horrible even with an all-time great defense like UGA had the last few years. Without game ending drives and a quality passing game they don’t win a single championship.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:03 pm to RollTide1987
That's a good thing because it doesn't look like we gonna get it.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 11:06 pm to Commander Data
I’m really concerned about the DL and not having a playmaker/terminator in that group. We can have the best secondary in football but if we can’t get after the quarterback, someone will eventually get open.
Posted on 8/20/23 at 2:06 am to phil4bama
The run's over boys, hate to say it. Hope Saban proves me wrong, but it's business as usual and business as usual doesn't win championships. Hate on
Posted on 8/20/23 at 7:46 am to LovetheLord
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McElroy and JPE over Tua and Bryce
Dude, don’t take it personally, but that is a very BAD take.
Yeah, let’s take those guys over two NFL starters. Even they would laugh about that.
This post was edited on 8/20/23 at 7:47 am
Posted on 8/20/23 at 8:15 am to phil4bama
The DL played great yesterday. I didn’t really see anything wrong with it at all. They were firing out.
Posted on 8/20/23 at 12:15 pm to Bham4Tide
I don’t take it personally. You make a valid point. I just know that we won more championships with the other guys than with Tua and Bryce. Part of that, though, is the horrible misfortune of having two receivers go down in 2021. With Mechie and JW I think we beat Georgia in the championship game.
Posted on 8/20/23 at 3:47 pm to tattoo
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Jake Coker
The guy just had that pure, undefiled Bammer living inside him that he could tap into for a big play right when it was needed.
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