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re: Does anyone actually think a healthy, experienced Ty Simpson wouldn’t have won the Heisman
Posted on 2/2/26 at 7:39 am to BamaBravesPackers
Posted on 2/2/26 at 7:39 am to BamaBravesPackers
Again, I’m not trying to disparage you, and I hope it doesn’t come across that way….Im generally intrigued that you are able to draw such certainties from just two seasons of data to draw from.
This is a follow-up question to your response concerning Trinidad Chambliss …..and if that same standard would apply to Alabama:
- If Mack had spent a season as a starting QB at the Division-2, Juco or NAIA level (same as Chambliss did at Ferris State), as opposed to choosing to spend his first season at Washington….would that be sufficient to qualify for your pre-requisite amount of experience necessary to lead Alabama to the Semi-finals?
This is a follow-up question to your response concerning Trinidad Chambliss …..and if that same standard would apply to Alabama:
- If Mack had spent a season as a starting QB at the Division-2, Juco or NAIA level (same as Chambliss did at Ferris State), as opposed to choosing to spend his first season at Washington….would that be sufficient to qualify for your pre-requisite amount of experience necessary to lead Alabama to the Semi-finals?
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Posted on 2/2/26 at 7:56 am to stewieie
The OP keeps wanting to make wagers. I will offer the same wager that within five years Ty will be a lower echelon coach at a college somewhere beginning his climb up the ladder, which IMO is his career destiny.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:57 pm to InkStainedWretch
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The OP keeps wanting to make wagers. I will offer the same wager that within five years Ty will be a lower echelon coach at a college somewhere beginning his climb up the ladder, which IMO is his career destiny.
Have you seen some of the absolute trash backup QB's (and some starters) in the NFL? Ty can take the AJ route and cruise as a backup at the very least for a long time in the league if things don't work out for him in the next few years.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:09 pm to Marktastic86
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:17 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
Ah yes, it's teams lying about their draft intentions season.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 8:30 pm to Cover1Key
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- Hypothetically: If you knew for certain Russell (or Mack) was a superior QB compared to Simpson in most every aspect of playing the position …would you still prefer CKD to go with Ty Simpson as the starter next year strictly because of your notion that starting experience is a prerequisite for reaching the semifinals in the new 12-Team Playoff Format?
There’s a reason Ty was the starter this year, was never benched despite injuries, and is a projected 1st rounder (well, was at least).
Your hypothetical of “most every aspect” would absolutely need more clarification to make this decision. It clearly wasn’t the case last year (or DeBoer should be fired if it was and he ignored it), so you’d have to clarify how it all of a sudden became the case. If it’s due to Keelon having a higher ceiling and better all around skillsets but less experience and the mistakes that come with that (or a worse “processor”), then not sure you can say “most every aspect” given that’s literally the most important aspect. (Note: Peyton Manning couldn’t run and didn’t have elite arm strength, but he was an elite decision maker. Jalen Milroe and Anthony Richardson had both skillsets, but were terrible decision makers and/or inaccurate passers).
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First off, there will always be a smaller number of starting QB’s with zero starting experience going into the season compared to those who have starting experience.
The portal has significantly reduced the number of contending teams that are starting 1st year starters. That’s been part of my argument the whole time and while you keep saying “sample size,” which is a concept I understand vividly, there’s a reason most other contenders are not starting 1st year starters. If I’m remembering correctly, Bama is literally the only one who will have had consecutive 1st year starters in 2025 & 2026. Literally, no other “contender” is doing that.
This post was edited on 2/2/26 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 2/2/26 at 8:40 pm to InkStainedWretch
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The OP keeps wanting to make wagers. I will offer the same wager that within five years Ty will be a lower echelon coach at a college somewhere beginning his climb up the ladder, which IMO is his career destiny.
This might have been a relevant post if I ever claimed that Ty is going to be an elite NFL QB. Given I’ve never even come close to ever mentioning Ty’s multiyear prospects in the NFL, it shows you might not understand the concept of backing one’s words with putting skin in the game.
Btw, the QB that won the 2024 NC was a 6th round pick. He just happened to be a 3 or 4 yr starter in college, once again proving the importance of experience at QB over talent (obviously need both, but experience is a must now).
Posted on 2/3/26 at 5:34 am to BamaBravesPackers
A hypothetical situation (often starting with "if") is used to examine possibilities, consequences, or how principles apply for debate or further understanding
You have stated emphatically, to the point of wagering money, that a QB without prior starting experience cannot and will not ever win two Playoff games (Semi-Finals or Championship).
I will present you with the hypothetical once more:
IF you knew for a fact that KR was a Jayden Daniels/Deshaun Watson type talent. Would you still keep him on the bench despite knowing the game-changing ability he possesses, in favor of Ty STRICTLY because he has starting experience even though you knew KR was the far superior player?
We can apply this same scenario to another (any) P-4 team to remove any potential bias:
- For example, you would’ve been in favor of keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench as a Clemson fan just because Kelly Bryant led them to the Playoffs the previous season correct?
You have stated emphatically, to the point of wagering money, that a QB without prior starting experience cannot and will not ever win two Playoff games (Semi-Finals or Championship).
I will present you with the hypothetical once more:
IF you knew for a fact that KR was a Jayden Daniels/Deshaun Watson type talent. Would you still keep him on the bench despite knowing the game-changing ability he possesses, in favor of Ty STRICTLY because he has starting experience even though you knew KR was the far superior player?
We can apply this same scenario to another (any) P-4 team to remove any potential bias:
- For example, you would’ve been in favor of keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench as a Clemson fan just because Kelly Bryant led them to the Playoffs the previous season correct?
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:43 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Whatever dude, but why don't you just give it up? Ty's gone and isn't coming back, we have who we have and we've shown that we're not going to go crazy in the portal with the people with bigger checkbooks than us which is what it's going to take to get "an experienced quarterback" who's worth anything. If we get bit by not having "an experienced quarterback" then we get bit by not having "an experienced quarterback." I'm going to have confidence in what DeBoer and Morgan are doing until they give me reason not to have confidence.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 6:18 pm to Cover1Key
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You have stated emphatically, to the point of wagering money, that a QB without prior starting experience cannot and will not ever win two Playoff games (Semi-Finals or Championship).
You do realize you have to win at least 3 playoff games to win a NC, right? Not sure where your 2 games came in.
Also, I’ve already stated that given a large enough sample, it’s clearly going to happen again…that’s how outliers work. The question is how much of an outlier is it, thereby dictating how infrequent it will happen.
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For example, you would’ve been in favor of keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench as a Clemson fan just because Kelly Bryant led them to the Playoffs the previous season correct?
If your choices are a 3/4 star QB with experience that was clearly hurting the team or a 5 star inexperienced QB, I think the choice is pretty common sense and you can chalk the season up to a rebuilding year because you aren’t winning a NC with either.
Ty was a 5 star and projected 1st round draft pick, which was nothing like Kelly Bryant. This isn’t rocket science.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 6:39 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Does everyone in here know ya'll are agruing about hypotheticals and things thay may/may not happen in the future? There are no winners. Unless bravespackerseveryteamontheplanet comes back in five years to say "I told you so"
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:04 am to BamaBravesPackers
You included the Semifinals earlier in this thread. I responded by inquiring if you considered Trinidad Chambliss starting one season at (Div-2) Ferris State as having starting experience. You replied that “yes” you did.
Imo, it’s absurd to believe a QB with starting experience at lower levels
(D-2/D-3/Juco/NAIA), is more advantageous compared to a kid who learns the offense and matures in the system as an underclassman at an elite FBS program.
I fail to comprehend your (emphatic) belief/certainty that any program with a first year starter at QB will never win a Title. The fact that you are basing such a blanket statement based solely off the results of the past TWO seasons alone is premature to say the least imo
I also fail to comprehend how having to win 1 additional Playoff game (with a Bye) compared to the former 4-team Playoff format (which also took place during the NIL/Portal Era) is such a Herculean task compared to just three seasons ago.
I think you would have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that follows football that even Trevor Lawrence/Deshaun Watson/Cam Newton/ Tebow/ Bryce Young type talents stand no chance of doing what Will Howard was capable of bc of this new era that’s been around for all of 2 seasons.
There is no possible way that you can honestly believe that Ohio State would have failed to win it all last year if Trevor Lawrence had been their QB (as a first year starter) instead of Will Howard.
Do you truly honestly believe that?
Imo, it’s absurd to believe a QB with starting experience at lower levels
(D-2/D-3/Juco/NAIA), is more advantageous compared to a kid who learns the offense and matures in the system as an underclassman at an elite FBS program.
I fail to comprehend your (emphatic) belief/certainty that any program with a first year starter at QB will never win a Title. The fact that you are basing such a blanket statement based solely off the results of the past TWO seasons alone is premature to say the least imo
I also fail to comprehend how having to win 1 additional Playoff game (with a Bye) compared to the former 4-team Playoff format (which also took place during the NIL/Portal Era) is such a Herculean task compared to just three seasons ago.
I think you would have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that follows football that even Trevor Lawrence/Deshaun Watson/Cam Newton/ Tebow/ Bryce Young type talents stand no chance of doing what Will Howard was capable of bc of this new era that’s been around for all of 2 seasons.
There is no possible way that you can honestly believe that Ohio State would have failed to win it all last year if Trevor Lawrence had been their QB (as a first year starter) instead of Will Howard.
Do you truly honestly believe that?
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:47 am to BamaBravesPackers
So, it took 3+ pages for you to concede that “it will eventually happen”, after guaranteeing that “it will not happen in this new Transfer Era”???
Do you plan on walking-back your wager offers since you appear to have become a bit more open-minded?
Do you plan on walking-back your wager offers since you appear to have become a bit more open-minded?
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 10:46 am
Posted on 2/4/26 at 10:42 am to BamaBravesPackers
How do you know who the starter is going to be for “every major contender in 2026”?
If you do, then I certainly salute you for doing that much homework.
Also, wouldn’t it be too early to tell for a majority of programs , being that Spring practice is months away?
If you do, then I certainly salute you for doing that much homework.
Also, wouldn’t it be too early to tell for a majority of programs , being that Spring practice is months away?
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:08 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Clemson didn’t have to “chalk that season up”. In fact, it turned out quite spectacular.
Dabo had the balls to replace a 2 year starter DURING the season despite Kelly Bryant being a big name at the time, and STILL chose to replace him with a Freshman in the middle of the season because he felt like the offense would produce at a higher level
led by a Freshman than what Bryant was capable of despite being All-Conferece the year prior.
Unfortunately, for Bama fans, that controversial decision by Dabo turned out to be the correct one.
Sometimes an inexperienced/younger QB can unseat an experienced starter and provide the team with a greater chance of success due to possessing superior talent…..we will find out this Fall if KR (or Mack) possesses more ability than Simpson.
Dabo had the balls to replace a 2 year starter DURING the season despite Kelly Bryant being a big name at the time, and STILL chose to replace him with a Freshman in the middle of the season because he felt like the offense would produce at a higher level
led by a Freshman than what Bryant was capable of despite being All-Conferece the year prior.
Unfortunately, for Bama fans, that controversial decision by Dabo turned out to be the correct one.
Sometimes an inexperienced/younger QB can unseat an experienced starter and provide the team with a greater chance of success due to possessing superior talent…..we will find out this Fall if KR (or Mack) possesses more ability than Simpson.
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