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Comparing Alabama offensive coordinators, Sark, Locks, Dabol, Kiffin
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:16 am
Comparing thru the 1st 3 games of the season. Pretty interesting. Kiffin's looks the more balanced.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:26 am to jatebe
Kiffin also had a true freshman QB who was not anywhere near ready to be a passing QB and a bunch of studs at RB (and a stud runner at QB).
I really like what Sark has done so far. Like with all these guys, none of it will matter until we play the better teams on the schedule, but I think our passing game has more great options to solve defensive adjustments than any I've seen in a long long time. And Tua seems comfortable at all of them.
I really like what Sark has done so far. Like with all these guys, none of it will matter until we play the better teams on the schedule, but I think our passing game has more great options to solve defensive adjustments than any I've seen in a long long time. And Tua seems comfortable at all of them.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Kiffin also had a true freshman QB who was not anywhere near ready to be a passing QB and a bunch of studs at RB.
Like you said the talent has completely flipped, also we know that passing is literally the right decision 80% of the time, you obviously want some balance, but the more our offense trends towards 60-65% passing the better off we are as a team. Running is incredibly inefficient if you are running into anything other than a favorable box and a waste of a down when you actually are in the competitive portion of a game. I'm glad Sark has embraced that.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:30 am to Tider95
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Like you said the talent has completely flipped, also we know that passing is literally the right decision 80% of the time, you obviously want some balance, but the more our offense trends towards 60-65% passing the better off we are as a team. Running is incredibly inefficient if you are running into anything other than a favorable box and a waste of a down when you actually are in the competitive portion of a game. I'm glad Sark has embraced that.
Me too - and the fact that 10-20% of our passing game is just an extension of the run game, but to better athletes in more space.
When teams play that dome coverage deep and bunch the middle, the quick hitch out to Jeudy or Ruggs or Smith is just a toss play, but to a big strong 4.4 running guy with 1 defender in front of him 7 yards off the ball. That's a run play.
I'd love to see a chart that basically re-allocates all hitches/pop passes to running stats and see what it looks like. I'm guessing the YPA for our rushing stats would look really frickin good.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:34 am to jatebe
Love the RPO plays by Sark/Tua
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:True, Kiffin and Dabol had Jalen, who is a more running style QB. Sark & Locks had Tua.
Kiffin also had a true freshman QB who was not anywhere near ready to be a passing QB and a bunch of studs at RB (and a stud runner at QB).
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:38 am to jatebe
I actually think McElwain was pretty great for what Saban asked of him.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:40 am to jatebe
Kiffin could legitimately be like Lincoln Riley if he had any discipline. What he did with Coker, Blake Sims, and a freshman Hurts was insane
Tua was such a better fit for Daboll’s NFL background and kinda hurt our perception of Jalen. Not saying either is at fault it was just an odd pairing
Tua was such a better fit for Daboll’s NFL background and kinda hurt our perception of Jalen. Not saying either is at fault it was just an odd pairing
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
It would, its the melding of west coast and spread concepts that put so much pressure on defenses at every level.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:57 am to Eli Goldfinger
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I actually think McElwain was pretty great for what Saban asked of him.
I think we get some real funky rose colored glasses for him. His offenses were fine, but man looking back if Saban had embraced the spread revolution early instead of Mcelwain death by run offense, we may be looking at 1-2 more natties.
That isnt McElwain's fault, but I think his success led to us being so behind offensively to adapt.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:07 am to Tider95
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I think we get some real funky rose colored glasses for him. His offenses were fine, but man looking back if Saban had embraced the spread revolution early instead of Mcelwain death by run offense, we may be looking at 1-2 more natties.
That isnt McElwain's fault, but I think his success led to us being so behind offensively to adapt.
1. He won two NCs...more than any other OC.
2. He won those NCs with McElroy and McCarron. I don't know that those guys are exactly RPO QBs. Maybe.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:13 am to BamaGradinTn
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1. He won two NCs...more than any other OC.
2. He won those NCs with McElroy and McCarron. I don't know that those guys are exactly RPO QBs. Maybe.
We won those with defense, not offense.
I disliked McElwain because he always attacked the short side of the field.
When people talk balance, they tend to look at it in rush yard and passing yards. But when 90% of your passes are WR screens and such, it's not really balanced because you are attacking the short side of the field with the running game and also with the passing game.
You really need to launch some mid range and deep balls to keep the defense from shorting up.
But I mean as far as those times go, we won on defense. And the 2009 year was especially bad later in the year because everyone was shorting the field on us because McElroy couldn't hit much of anything deep. So we put Ingram in the wildcat just for the numbers advantage up close and had success that way. Had some great running lines then too.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:19 am to 3down10
McElwain overall was pretty bleh but he did have the ability to draw up and call a fantastic game on the biggest stage.
2009 Florida and 2011 LSU part 2 were masterpieces
2009 Florida and 2011 LSU part 2 were masterpieces
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:20 am to 3down10
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1. He won two NCs...more than any other OC.
2. He won those NCs with McElroy and McCarron. I don't know that those guys are exactly RPO QBs. Maybe.
We won those with defense, not offense.
True.
And we didn't lose with the offense.
McElroy had a stretch mid year in 2009 where he didn't do much.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:20 am to BamaGradinTn
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He won two NCs...more than any other OC.
I'm not saying he cost us a natty with how he coached, I'm saying his success (which was incredible in terms of NCs)led to the Nussball days. I often wonder what happens if instead of Kiffin 2014 to change to spread, Saban makes the changes after Jim left.
Obviously we won in 12, but 13 and 14 were (for me) all about mismatched pieces offensively and defensively as Saban scrambled to match the spread evo on defense along with still wanting to be a ball control offense and the cracks from that leading to offensive duds in key games. Also, Imagine Sims as a spread qb, being able to actually spend 2 years there learning going into 14.
I know that I'm purely speculating, it's just been something that's been in the back of my mind since Saban made the decision to bring in Kiffin in 14.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
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McElwain overall was pretty bleh but he did have the ability to draw up and call a fantastic game on the biggest stage.
2009 Florida and 2011 LSU part 2 were masterpieces
Va.Tech in 2009 was pretty good also. McElroy had a deep ball to Maze when we were down in the 4th quarter that set up the go ahead TD. He also used Holla McGee brilliantly on TDs vs. Auburn and Florida.
And Mac's destruction of UGA in 2008 was pretty awesome.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:30 am to BamaGradinTn
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Va.Tech in 2009 was pretty good also. McElroy had a deep ball to Maze when we were down in the 4th quarter that set up the go ahead TD. He also used Holla McGee brilliantly on TDs vs. Auburn and Florida.
Yep - and McElroy was miserable for the first 2 quarters of that game too
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And Mac's destruction of UGA in 2008 was pretty awesome.
Good call
Yea - Mac could get in a nice rhythm of ran, pass, play action, etc and really get in a groove.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:15 pm to jatebe
a lot of those passing yards in Kiffin's offense were basically long handoffs on the jet sweeps
edit to say that Kiffin did a great job, imo, altering the offense to suit what he had. Hurts was struggling in the passing game, so do what works. He had play makers at wide receiver, too, so get them the ball however you can do it.
edit to say that Kiffin did a great job, imo, altering the offense to suit what he had. Hurts was struggling in the passing game, so do what works. He had play makers at wide receiver, too, so get them the ball however you can do it.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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McElwain overall was pretty bleh but he did have the ability to draw up and call a fantastic game on the biggest stage.
He also had the most chicken shite game plan maybe ever in the 9-6 game.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 12:20 pm to Dubosed
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He also had the most chicken shite game plan maybe ever in the 9-6 game.
Yep, he also had the ability to do that.
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