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Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:23 am to
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
73303 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:23 am to
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Jordan Davis is on our fall roster also.


So is Cowan. It’s just not updated.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 11:49 am to
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Seems to be a lot of transferring to HT (Tyson, Goodwin, Pickens) despite the fact that they don't accept transfers from outside their district.

Shady shite going on at Trussville They have never had talent anywhere close to this. Shady shady shady
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16341 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:13 pm to
Trussville and Thompson trying to see who can recruit better.
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:21 pm to
Hewitt Trussville ever going to play Clay-Chalkville again?
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:23 pm to
I don't think so. Clay wants to play but Trussville doesn't. I wish they would, it's a damn good rivalry. Hell, the schools are only 2 or 3 miles apart in the same road
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:30 pm to
They should move Clay-Chalkville up to 7A and make them play.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
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49884 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:46 pm to
I agree completely.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:53 pm to
ATTENTION: For those who may have missed it, the following link has been added as the first line of the first post in this thread for easy reference.

LINK ]Signing and Counter Limits / NCAA Bylaws

The next two posts contain copies of the two sequential posts in this thread that it links to.

I know - tl;dr. But I do recommend reading the brief six important things to undertand portion of the next post, because there are common misconceptions about those things that get perpetuated by forum posters.

I posted this stuff a few days ago, and it raised a few good questions. So I did more research and enhanced the six (was four) important things to understand portion and added a good article link.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:30 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:53 pm to
Signing and Counter Limits / NCAA Bylaws

NCAA Bylaws sections concerning FBS signing and counter limits are posted below. The basic 25/85 (initial/total) scholarship limits are fairly common knowledge, but to help clear up some common misconceptions about them, here are six important things to understand:

1) Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. Section 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who's on countable scholarship. Per 15.02.3.1, an “initial counter” is a counter (all-inclusive) who's receiving an initial countable scholarship.

2) Non-qualifiers who signed an NLI still count against their original signee spot and then count against the corresponding initial counter spot at that school if/when they enroll there after JUCO.

3) Grayshirts (15.5.6.3.2) — Deferred enrollees (after fall term) may count toward signee and initial counter limits for the next academic year.

4) Blueshirts (15.5.6.3.4) — The signings limit (effective for the 2018 cycle) ends the ability for non-recruited (no OV, no off-campus meeting, no NLI; 15.02.8) players to receive fall scholarships (within the 85 limit) and count toward the next year's initial counters limit because they'll count toward the current academic year signees limit.

5) Early enrollees (15.5.6.3.5) who are midyear replacements for December or prior academic year graduates may be counted against unused prior cycle signee and initial counter spots. FBS schools may only use the midyear replacement option if they had 85 counters in the fall term.

6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward signee and initial/total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.

Note: A forum search for "NCAA Bylaws" will retrieve some additional explanatory posts.

Helpful article: A deep dive inside the NCAA's tweaked 25-man signing limit...

NCAA Bylaws: LINK ](PDF - free download)

13.9.2.3 Limitation on the Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.

15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)

15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purpose of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including any such encounter with the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.

The NCAA Bylaws concerning how players are counted against the 25 initial counters and 85 total counters limits are in the next post.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 10:00 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 3:53 pm to
NCAA Bylaws:

15.5.6 Football Limitations.

15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)

15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).

15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)

15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.

15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.

15.5.6.4 Exceptions.

15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Sid E Walker
BackdoorU ©
Member since Nov 2013
25150 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

For reference, the highest scoring class of all time (2010 Florida) scored a 324.62.

Undoubtedly, the most underachieving class in recruiting history.
Posted by seanpendleton10
North Myrtle Beach SC
Member since Sep 2017
3375 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 5:27 pm to
I wonder how these classes compare to some of the classes back in the day like FSU in the 90's or Miami before these kind of point systems
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83184 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

Oh. Look who's using big words and acting like he didn't go to public school all of a sudden.


Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83184 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:54 pm to
Tide pledge Antonio Alfano commits to 2019 All-American Bowl

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Alabama defensive line commitment Antonio Alfano pledged to play in the 2019 Army All-American Game on Tuesday.

The Colonia (N.J.) product is the first member of the Crimson Tide’s class to commit to play in the annual event set for January 5 in San Antonio, Texas.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

TideSaint

Sent you 2 update emails.

This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 6:55 pm
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83184 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

TidalSurge1


Updated.

ETA: Only got one.

ETAA: Got both.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 7:06 pm
Posted by Vidic
Member since Jan 2010
9505 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

f you think this is something that would spark conversation you would arguable be the worst wingman on the planet. The girl says she thinks dolphins are pretty fish and you are like, "Actually a dolphin is a mammal not a fish." Shut up we trying to get laid not pass a zoology midterm



Unfortunately you are right. Half a page of new recruiting info has less talk than if a guy that has 2 games of film should go to the NFL lol. Thanks for the link though.

quote:

Tidesaint


Thanks just trying to help with the little amount of time I get to keep up with recruiting now. Those three pass rushers would be insane. I know we lose coaches all the time but I really hope this staff stays for a couple years unless they get significant raises or they can’t coach. Cause they are recruiting lights out. Like this year I would expect a couple of DMV guys to commit out of the blue. Seems to be the trend with our recruiting.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83184 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:42 pm to
Three-Point Stance: Biggest recent commits; underrated coaches, 2019 No. 1

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Rivals.com National Recruiting Director Mike Farrell’s thought-provoking Three-Point Stance is here with the biggest commits from the last week, a list of the most underrated coaches in college football and the battle for No. 1 in 2019.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83184 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 8:44 pm to
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3. CANDIDATES FOR NO. 1 FOR 2019 CLASS

I’ve been asked the question nearly 100 times over the last few weeks – is Derek Stingley Jr. still your No. 1 player in the 2019 class? The simple answer – I don’t know yet. There have been many recent classes where the debate for No. 1 has been a good one, a far cry from the days of Vince Young, Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, Terrelle Pryor, Jadeveon Clowney and others, but 2019 seems especially difficult. So who are the candidates for No. 1 overall as we meet in mid-August to re-rank the Rivals100? I’ll break down my thoughts by position.

Quarterback – Unlike last year when our top two players nationally were quarterbacks, I don’t see a No. 1 overall candidate in this class yet. There will be discussions about Auburn commitment Bo Nix and Oklahoma commitment Spencer Rattler earning a fifth star, but even if they do I don’t see them pushing for No. 1.

Running Back – Trey Sanders has distanced himself a bit from the rest of the pack and will be discussed but it’s tough for running backs to be No. 1 overall. Yes Peterson did it as did Bryce Brown and Najee Harris, but is Sanders in that stratosphere of talent? Not sure.

Wide Receiver/Tight End – This is a really good wide receiver class and the debate for No. 1 at the position will be a good one. Oklahoma commitment Theo Wease and Georgia commitment Jadon Haselwood are the two most likely candidates to push for No. 1 overall while I don’t see a tight end coming close as usual.

Offensive Line – Darnell Wright is probably the only candidate here as five-stars Kardell Thomas and Clay Webb have done well but to me haven’t pushed close to the top spot overall. Offensive linemen don’t finish No. 1 historically so it will be interesting to see the thoughts on Wright from the staff.

Defensive Line – Kayvon Thibodeaux is a special talent and No. 1 on another site while Nolan Smith is also No. 1 elsewhere and there are a ton of five-stars along the defensive line. This could be the one position with the most candidates before all is said and done.

Linebacker – There are currently no five-stars at linebacker and even if we added one or two, which to me is unlikely, I don’t see anyone will the full package needed to push to the top.

Defensive Back – Stingley is currently No. 1 and there are other five stars but I think the LSU commitment has the best chance of everyone to remain or stay near No. 1 at least at this stage.

Athlete – Quavaris Crouch was No. 1 at one point and will always be considered it seems and I am really starting to think Bru McCoy will make a strong push before all is said and done.
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
4624 posts
Posted on 7/17/18 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

I'd imagine they can find an apartment in Trussville


There aren't any apartments zoned for Trussville
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 9:10 pm
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