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re: Barnett's time in Tuscaloosa
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:00 pm to YStar
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:00 pm to YStar
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One could argue the only reason why BB did well was because of Hurts removing all pressure when he took over the game.
Barnett looked good but we were up by 30-something at that point and USC had quit
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:01 pm to tider04
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I believe he had a rough scrimmage, but I also found out after the fact that one of the two picks he threw bounced off a receiver.
A poorly placed ball that bounced off the receiver, details.
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and BB had zero.
Because the game was already won, there is difference, a huge one. First turnover on the Read was not Hurts. I can explain why if you want.
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but BB is the most accurate
Not true IMO and that of many
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knows more of the offense
I agree with that
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:03 pm to YStar
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Then there is the exaggerations like BB is most accurate QB
Both without a shred of proof to validate.
J. Hurts, QB 6/11 10.7 118 2 1
B. Barnett, QB 5/6 16.7 100 1 0
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no pressure wide open throws with 0 consequences
Hurts had one of these
Also, how many times did the RB blow an assignment when Hurts dropped back to pass?
Let's see how they play this week.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:06 pm to CrimsonBoz
Well Boz, you may be right but the only game sample we have was last Saturday. Hurts threw a pick into double coverage and locked on before the snap and never looked any other way. BB completed all but one of his passes which was a dropped swing pass by Howard. Again, in game sample says BB is more accurate.
Maybe WKU game shows otherwise. Not that I'm complaining about Hurts, I loved what he did. But we all have to admit that pick was just awful as well, we excuse it because it didn't matter in a blowout game. But if that pick happens late in the 4th quarter in a 23-21 ball game in Knoxville or BR we wouldn't be as forgiving.
Maybe WKU game shows otherwise. Not that I'm complaining about Hurts, I loved what he did. But we all have to admit that pick was just awful as well, we excuse it because it didn't matter in a blowout game. But if that pick happens late in the 4th quarter in a 23-21 ball game in Knoxville or BR we wouldn't be as forgiving.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:08 pm to ArabianKnight
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Also, how many times did the RB blow an assignment when Hurts dropped back to pass?
How does this play into the fact Blake freaked out and was pulled for many more series than Hurts? It's a contact sport you get hit, and you have to recover and move on.
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Hurts had one of these
Good thing he recognized a corner and safety blitz in order to get it to Stewart, right?
I think the air of homer is starting to come through with people picking favorites. How about the person who lead the team to a 30+ point lead? That's ALL I CARE ABOUT.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:09 pm to tider04
I was fine with the Hurts pick. It's probably a pass he never had a problem completing in high school, so it was a good teaching moment.
I thought they both looked good. Hurts is getting all the press because he played more, and looked really good running the ball, but from what I saw of Barnett, I'd be pretty comfortable with him being the guy.
I thought they both looked good. Hurts is getting all the press because he played more, and looked really good running the ball, but from what I saw of Barnett, I'd be pretty comfortable with him being the guy.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:10 pm to 14&Counting
I think BB8 will be the type of player that has to watch the game a little bit before he's mentally ready to go in and play.
His eyes and body language told the story imo that he wasn't mentally ready.
If he can learn to deal with the mental things, he will take off and be successful.
His eyes and body language told the story imo that he wasn't mentally ready.
If he can learn to deal with the mental things, he will take off and be successful.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:10 pm to tider04
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Well Boz, you may be right but the only game sample we have was last Saturday. Hurts threw a pick into double coverage and locked on before the snap and never looked any other way. BB completed all but one of his passes which was a dropped swing pass by Howard. Again, in game sample says BB is more accurate.
BB did all those 5 passes in a blowout with a quitting defense. Until he wins the game or throws the team on his back, hurts has the edge. Just MO.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:12 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I think the air of homer is starting to come through with people picking favorites
you don't say.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:13 pm to ArabianKnight
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I think the air of homer is starting to come through with people picking favorites
you don't say.
Look smartass, it's simple. I want the guy who puts the team on his back and wins. Not the guy who needs a sec to collect his thoughts. He was pulled because he was done until he could get a break.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:13 pm to 14&Counting
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Barnett looked good but we were up by 30-something at that point and USC had quit
Hurts didn't do anything except fumble in his first 3 possessions either. I don't think we should judge either of them by what they did on their first few college snaps. They both played better after they, and the whole team, settled down.
I like that Hurts can run. But, I want to see if he's the best all-around QB before I anoint him the next coming. We've seen very little of either of them. And, I honestly think both guys can be very, very good.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:14 pm to CrimsonBoz
I agree with that. Just pointing out BB did some nice things too.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:15 pm to tider04
I am not taking away his nice throws at all. They were outstanding. I need the other stuff to be a believer. I've seen to much of this kid folding under pressure to trust him with the keys.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:16 pm to Teague
Barnett also got hurt on his last snap of the first half. Perhaps that played more of a role in him sitting as long as he did. 
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:16 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Look smartass, it's simple. I want the guy who puts the team on his back and wins. Not the guy who needs a sec to collect his thoughts. He was pulled because he was done until he could get a break.
That's true about BB, but remember we haven't seen Hurts start a game yet. And his first few series netted nada just like BB's first few series. They both settled in about their 4th series in the game. Let's let them play a little more ball before we anoint one and bury the other...that's all I'm saying. And I do think Hurts will win it for the record, but it will be because of the added mobility not because he's more accurate or knows the offense better.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:17 pm to CrimsonBoz
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lso, how many times did the RB blow an assignment when Hurts dropped back to pass? How does this play into the fact Blake freaked out and was pulled for many more series than Hurts? It's a contact sport you get hit, and you have to recover and move on.
How does Hurts get credit for the pick 6 or the punter laying down at the 12 yard line?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:19 pm to ArabianKnight
We can just agree to disagree at this point, let's drive on. 
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:20 pm to CrimsonBoz
quote:Can't disagree with this, but I don't think we should toss BB out with the wash. We lined up those first two series and ran our normal offense which is very predictable but has been successful in the last few years due to the quality and experience on the O-line. Hurts' mobility added a dimension USC was not prepared for and this opened up the game as I've said in another thread. I think we are exceptionally lucky to have both QBs on the roster. Once the O-line gels, either one will be successful.
hurts has the edge
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:21 pm to CrimsonBoz
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We can just agree to disagree at this point, let's drive on.
2 things.
Dang you for being the bigger person.
Now I have to go home and argue with my wife.
Thanks!
Posted on 9/7/16 at 2:21 pm to Teague
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I think Hurts played very well in his first game. However, if you REALLY look at it honestly, was he truly better than Barnett?
Don't have a dog in this hunt (I thought Bateman would start) but, for this particular game, I'd say yes, no question Hurts was better...
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People say Barnett looked scared... well yeah, it he's a RSFr in his first game vs. USC. Of course he did. And, even if he didn't look like it, I can promise you Hurts was nervous too.
Maybe Hurts was nervous, but he sure didn't show it...and Barnett did. After the first series, my son and I both mentioned that Barnett looked rattled. Even after the 2 turnovers, Hurts didn't seemed phased at all. He looked calm passing the ball and he made his 2 TD runs look easy...and his first TD pass to Stewart was a dart...
Barnett looked very good when he came back in the game...but I think we were up by 30+ when he came back in though. His 2 long passes were darts. I don't think he's out of it by any stretch, but I want to see what he looks like when the game is on the line...
With a young QB, whether it's Hurts or Barnett, we're gonna have to live with a good bit of mistakes/turnovers while they learn on the job...hopefully their learning curve is small as either is capable of explosive plays...and hopefully our D can limit the impact of their misfires...
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