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re: All you Milroe fans step up and get some

Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:15 pm to
Ty Simpson looks like the truth. Reminds me of a right handed Steve Young.

But, it all comes down to development. Which kid has the character to put in the work to be the best? We've seen QBs come and go, all of them mid to high level recruits. We've seen mid level guys become NFL studs and we've seen high level guys be trash. The differentiating factor is character.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 10:16 pm
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:07 am to
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Not a fan of his QB “skills”…especially when there’s a 5* passer sitting on the bench.


Ty Simpson whether he ultimately ends up better than Bryce or not would not be better than Bryce is right now because he just doesn't have the experience with the offense. So if you're putting Ty in you basically are showing a defense the same offense you've been running but likely more conservative with a "worse" player running it.

You put Milroe in for a half and now possibly for another game and the defense has to change things up. If he does start this week they don't know what our offense is going to look like when we have time to make a gameplan specifically for Milroe going into the game, and we aren't going to take Bryce playing off the table completely either so they can't just ignore that possibility in their own preparation.

Now all that said, I think if we are looking at a long term absence for Bryce we would see Ty take over. Milroe has a ways to go before hes even at Hurts level passing, and that was painful at times even with a much better WR group than we have now and with a better OC.

I'm team Ty but I do think Milroe is a better short term solution.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by jryanw
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:41 am to
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Mac looked horrid his first year in mop up duty. I vividly remember saying multiple times that he wasn't a Power 5 QB.


I did too. His improvement from sophomore to junior was one of the most impressive development jobs I have ever seen.
Posted by jryanw
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:43 am to
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You have no indication Ty Simpson is ready to play. He’s a true freshman. If he were the better option saban would’ve went with him yesterday. It’s a shame the young man only had one poor throw and some of you are crucifying him.


Exactly. I’m hopeful that Ty becomes a stud after Milroe too but he could also be our next Barnett. Barnett looked great until the lights came on.
Posted by 3moredays
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:48 am to
Judging a player, at any position, based on how he plays when thrown into the fire unexpectedly and especially on the road, is dumb.
Posted by jryanw
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:52 am to
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Judging a player, at any position, based on how he plays when thrown into the fire unexpectedly and especially on the road, is dumb.


100% agree
Plus, these guys complaining about him want him to throw like Bryce. He doesn’t have to throw like Bryce to be highly effective because he’s such a great threat as a runner. If he throws as well as Nick Marshall(I think Milroe’s arm is better) we’ll make the playoffs.
It’s all a moot point for this year though. Bryce is fine. I stopped worrying about him when Saban said this is something Bryce has had happen before and after a few days the arm strength comes back
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 8:53 am
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:15 am to
How do you not watch Milroe and think
“Holy shite this guy’s ceiling is limitless”


I get we’ve gotten our hopes up with Uber-talented guys that ended up flopping, but why not be positive
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:18 am to
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By a considerable margin.


In Hurts’ SECOND year as a full time starter, Bo Scarborough had the 2nd most receptions on the team with 17

Keep in mind that that receiving group consisted of Calvin Ridley, Devonta Smith, Irv Smith, Henry Ruggs, and Jerry Jeudy
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 9:19 am
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:21 am to
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How do you not watch Milroe and think
“Holy shite this guy’s ceiling is limitless”


It definitely is, but how long do you give a guy?

And I'm not implying Milroe has had enough time or enough of a chance to prove it, he clearly hasn't.

Do we wait until the second half of a national title game that we are losing?

Its a good question. Not one that even Saban has an answer for I'm afraid.
Posted by C W
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 am to
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How do you not watch Milroe and think “Holy shite this guy’s ceiling is limitless”


I’ve watched him last year and this year and seen him miss nearly as many as he has completed and some ste way off target. Some others that are completions are also well off target. The long ball on Saturday that was sky high and way short is an example. If he hit the receiver in stride instead of having to stop would probably been a touchdown.

Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:28 am to
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It definitely is, but how long do you give a guy?

And I'm not implying Milroe has had enough time or enough of a chance to prove it, he clearly hasn't.

Do we wait until the second half of a national title game that we are losing? Its a good question.

Not one that even Saban has an answer for I'm afraid.


If God forbid Young is out for the year and Milroe somehow gets us to the Natty with @Tennessee, @LSU, @Ole Miss, SECCG against Georgia, and a Semifinal game on the schedule, I’m gonna say that Saban made the right call


Why not see how the dude does in 1 game as the full time starter before we bury our redshirt freshman backup
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:29 am to
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I’ve watched him last year and this year and seen him miss nearly as many as he has completed and some ste way off target. Some others that are completions are also well off target. The long ball on Saturday that was sky high and way short is an example. If he hit the receiver in stride instead of having to stop would probably been a touchdown.


Wanna guess who had one of the absolute worst deep ball percentages through 3 weeks this year?
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:32 am to
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Why not see how the dude does in 1 game as the full time starter before we bury our redshirt freshman backup


Oh yeah I 100% want to give him this week. At most schools the backup QB is the most popular player, at Bama it might be the backup's backup
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:45 am to
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Oh yeah I 100% want to give him this week. At most schools the backup QB is the most popular player, at Bama it might be the backup's backup


I’d also like to add that choosing to bench Hurts prior to or during 2017 would have been a much harder decision than putting Simpson over Milroe. Jalen was the reigning SECPOY and went 14-1 as a true freshman. Even if Tua looked better, it was always gonna be hard to pull the trigger


If Saban thought Simpson was better and more ready, he would be #2 on the depth chart
Posted by C W
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:50 am to
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Wanna guess who had one of the absolute worst deep ball percentages through 3 weeks this year?


Its a good bet the guy that has thrown 134 passes may more likely have thrown a bad pass. Since we’re comparing Milroe to Young, which is ridiculous, we’ll also note that Young’ s career completion pct is 66.7% and Milroe is 56%.

Not sure why so many are trying so hard to spin it that Milroe is a proficient passing qb because he isn’t
Posted by C W
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:52 am to
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If Saban thought Simpson was better and more ready, he would be #2 on the depth chart


Simpson is a true freshman. Do you think that may have something to do with it?
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:09 am to
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Its a good bet the guy that has thrown 134 passes may more likely have thrown a bad pass. Since we’re comparing Milroe to Young, which is ridiculous, we’ll also note that Young’ s career completion pct is 66.7% and Milroe is 56%.

Not sure why so many are trying so hard to spin it that Milroe is a proficient passing qb because he isn’t


The point being that Bryce Flipping Young, with 15 starts under his belt, got off to a weird start in this offense tailored to him. Additionally he got most of the off-season and in-season reps in practice


To bury Milroe for looking subpar as a passer after being thrust into a road game against a ranked opponent in an offense not tailored to him, with limited reps, and no competitive game experience, is silly
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:10 am
Posted by C W
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:14 am to
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To bury Milroe for looking subpar as a passer after being thrust into a road game against a ranked opponent in an offense not tailored to him, with limited reps, and no competitive game experience, is silly


But that’s not the case. Im judging Milroe based in a year snd a half. 19 completions in 34 passes, which is 55.9% any way you spin it and many of those were horrible passes way off the mark. We haven’t even talked about the fact he fumbled the ball and bobbled 2 or 3 other snaps on Saturday. He’s just not an elite qb , is not going to be, and Alabama is used to and deserves elite.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:17 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:39 am to
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Im judging Milroe based in a year snd a half. 19 completions in 34 passes, which is 55.9% any way you spin it and many of those were horrible passes way off the mark.


So far this season Milroes adjusted completion percentage (which is basically how accurate was the pass regardless of drops or if a WR bailed them out on a catch)? 70.8%

97. CJ Stroud (Ohio State) (72.3%)
103. JT Daniels (West Virginia) (72.0%)
111. Jalen Milroe (Alabama) (70.8%)
112. Aiden O'Connell (Purdue) (70.7%)
114. Sam Hartman (Wake Forest) (70.5%)
118. Quinn Ewers (Texas) (69.4%)
121. Malik Cunningham (Louisville) (69.3%)
154. Jaxon Dart (Ole Miss) (65.1%)
168. Cade Klubnik (Clemson) (61.5%)

Discussing 2023 and beyond is a separate thing. As for this weekend, he has more than enough tools and demeanor with the skills of guys around him to play winning offensive football if the staff does their job with the right plan.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:43 am
Posted by C W
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:45 am to
Statistics can be manipulated to show about anything somebody wants to show but 56% completion pct is cut and dried.

Other than the short passes Jalen Milroe is nowhere near 70% and a review of all his passes will nearly certainly bear that out. He was 4 of 9 on Saturday and he’s been in the program a year and half.
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