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re: Alabama Hires Patriots' TE Brian Daboll as Offensive Coordinator
Posted on 2/12/17 at 11:18 am to TidalSurge1
Posted on 2/12/17 at 11:18 am to TidalSurge1
Yeah, but does he frick?
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Posted on 2/12/17 at 11:41 am to alabamabuckeye
Apparently so -- according to his twitter, he really loves his pretty wife and two children.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 12:32 pm to TidalSurge1
I trust Nick in these matters more than any coach. This is his wheelhouse.
Surge, that synopsis on your guy was excellent, but I just have hard time of ALABAMA hiring fresno states fired OC. 17.7 pts per game for them last yr, and more importantly if the HC saw something that the stats don't show they would've kept him.
I mean he may be the guy. I like the sark, lane connection, but whenever we did the hurry, we would screw it up. My .02 cents that's all. Surge you should be his agent, because you made him look really good
Surge, that synopsis on your guy was excellent, but I just have hard time of ALABAMA hiring fresno states fired OC. 17.7 pts per game for them last yr, and more importantly if the HC saw something that the stats don't show they would've kept him.
I mean he may be the guy. I like the sark, lane connection, but whenever we did the hurry, we would screw it up. My .02 cents that's all. Surge you should be his agent, because you made him look really good
Posted on 2/12/17 at 1:17 pm to Bamadoc
There wasn't much of anything at Colorado or Fresno for Kiesau to be able to field a productive offense during his OC stints there. He produced good results as OC under Sark at Washington, considering the player talent level there relative to their competition.
Bama is friggin LOADED with player talent at all offensive positions. Kiesau seems stronger on passing side, Locksley on running. Locksley in booth, Kiesau on sideline. Of all the candidates I've seen mentioned, Kiesau just seems to make the most sense.
Bama already has the offensive philosopy & system Saban wants. We're no huddle now, but I think Saban only wants to go hurry up at the times it make sense. Our offense mostly just needs execution improvement on the passing game side. Kiesau is quite familiar with our offense and well equipped coach up the passing game and coordinate our offense.
The more I think about it, the more it seems fairly likely he might be Saban's choice for the job. And all things considered, I think he might be a pretty good choice -- better than he appeared at first glance.
Btw, the last two OCs Saban hired (Lane & Sark) were fired from prior gigs. Locksley and Napier were too. Just because a coach gets fired or has sub-par results in a given situation doesn't necessarily mean his coaching expertise or ability sux. Saban himself didn't light it up at Michigan St. or Miami, but he's done great at LSU and Bama. Having lots of great player talent has a HUGE impact on a coach's success.
Bama is friggin LOADED with player talent at all offensive positions. Kiesau seems stronger on passing side, Locksley on running. Locksley in booth, Kiesau on sideline. Of all the candidates I've seen mentioned, Kiesau just seems to make the most sense.
Bama already has the offensive philosopy & system Saban wants. We're no huddle now, but I think Saban only wants to go hurry up at the times it make sense. Our offense mostly just needs execution improvement on the passing game side. Kiesau is quite familiar with our offense and well equipped coach up the passing game and coordinate our offense.
The more I think about it, the more it seems fairly likely he might be Saban's choice for the job. And all things considered, I think he might be a pretty good choice -- better than he appeared at first glance.
Btw, the last two OCs Saban hired (Lane & Sark) were fired from prior gigs. Locksley and Napier were too. Just because a coach gets fired or has sub-par results in a given situation doesn't necessarily mean his coaching expertise or ability sux. Saban himself didn't light it up at Michigan St. or Miami, but he's done great at LSU and Bama. Having lots of great player talent has a HUGE impact on a coach's success.
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 2:13 pm to TidalSurge1
I'd hate the Kiesau hire past WR Coach.
Fresno State was his opportunity at free reign at the offense with a defensive minded HC. He ends up putting out horrid numbers as Tim DeRutyer gets canned. He didn't have heavy handed offensive coaches like Dan Hawkins or Steve Sarkisian heavily involved in play calling and it showed.
We make excuses for folks for having a lack of talent to work with, but good OCs can scheme around anything. It's a shame Bama is looking at a lot of "has beens or never was" at OC. Shouldn't have to lean on "Bama has talent, anyone can do well".
Sark actually stripped him of his role with the QBs after his first year as OC/QB Coach when Keith Price had career low numbers. He hires Marques Tuiasosopo and Price rebounds, with him giving Tuiasosopo a lot of credit.
His work was a lot better with WRs, a job many expect Locksley to have...
Fresno State was his opportunity at free reign at the offense with a defensive minded HC. He ends up putting out horrid numbers as Tim DeRutyer gets canned. He didn't have heavy handed offensive coaches like Dan Hawkins or Steve Sarkisian heavily involved in play calling and it showed.
We make excuses for folks for having a lack of talent to work with, but good OCs can scheme around anything. It's a shame Bama is looking at a lot of "has beens or never was" at OC. Shouldn't have to lean on "Bama has talent, anyone can do well".
Sark actually stripped him of his role with the QBs after his first year as OC/QB Coach when Keith Price had career low numbers. He hires Marques Tuiasosopo and Price rebounds, with him giving Tuiasosopo a lot of credit.
His work was a lot better with WRs, a job many expect Locksley to have...
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:14 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Maybe other factors, such as O-line problems, contributed in part to Price's 2nd season slump.
A lot people, including me, hated the Lane Kiffin hire when it was made. It worked out ok.
Also, Lane didn't seem to be able to help Hurts improve this season. Does that mean Lane is a bad QB coach?
Yeah, any good OC will scheme to strengths and scheme around weaknesses, but that doesn't guarantee great results if the weaknesses are too severe. For example, if the O-line players can't get the job done consistently, you probably won't have a productive and efficient offense no matter what your schemes are.
I still think Kiesau seems pretty likely to be the guy. We'll see.
A lot people, including me, hated the Lane Kiffin hire when it was made. It worked out ok.
Also, Lane didn't seem to be able to help Hurts improve this season. Does that mean Lane is a bad QB coach?
Yeah, any good OC will scheme to strengths and scheme around weaknesses, but that doesn't guarantee great results if the weaknesses are too severe. For example, if the O-line players can't get the job done consistently, you probably won't have a productive and efficient offense no matter what your schemes are.
I still think Kiesau seems pretty likely to be the guy. We'll see.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:34 pm to Commander Data
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Freddie is a childhood friend of mine. We sang a song in a talent show together. I could tell you some stories about his dad.
Tell us more !
I think its Godsey.....not excited about it but maybe it works out.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:35 pm to TidalSurge1
I hope you're wrong. Unless you have inside information, I don't know how you can say what hire is "likely"
Posted on 2/12/17 at 3:50 pm to TidalSurge1
Seems reassignment of roles would be avoided if Sark could put blame on things like OL, yet he still made the change.
Kiffin to Kiesau is apples to oranges. No one questioned Kiffin's ability to run an offense, people hated the rest of him. And personally, I think Kiffin is better at working with strengths and minimizing weakness than him actually being a significant QB coach.
Usually when you get fired, you don't land back into the same role. Guys fired like Kiffin, Sark, and Napier had to take demotions, Kiesau has done the same taking a WR job.
It just looks like the same media speculation type candidate whenever any spots opens, yet most hires don't have a connection to Saban offensively...
Kiffin to Kiesau is apples to oranges. No one questioned Kiffin's ability to run an offense, people hated the rest of him. And personally, I think Kiffin is better at working with strengths and minimizing weakness than him actually being a significant QB coach.
Usually when you get fired, you don't land back into the same role. Guys fired like Kiffin, Sark, and Napier had to take demotions, Kiesau has done the same taking a WR job.
It just looks like the same media speculation type candidate whenever any spots opens, yet most hires don't have a connection to Saban offensively...
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:06 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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It's a shame Bama is looking at a lot of "has beens or never was" at OC.
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It just looks like the same media speculation type candidate whenever any spots opens, yet most hires don't have a connection to Saban offensively.
Yeah, we really don't know who all Saban may be considering. Nobody seems to know. Everyone, including me, seems to just be speculating and guessing. The only guy we know of that he's interviewed on campus is Godsey. We don't know who else he's talked to via telephone or video conference. He could hire someone who hasn't even been mentioned by the media.
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:12 pm to TidalSurge1
I hope it's a surprise pick, because the names thrown out haven't done much for me 
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:36 pm to JBearden
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Tell us more !
I can tell you the talent show didn't work out too well. Freddie was a much better athlete than pop star. Freddie had the foulest mouth of any 5th grader you ever heard. He got it from his dad. His dad pushed him into sports and it paid off. I have quite a few stories but it would probably be of poor character to share them. I will say that Freddie did not have it made as a child and he worked his arse off to be the man he is today.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 4:50 pm to Commander Data
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Only real question is recruiting/appeal, will he be able to attract players?
He was a pretty good recruiter at Miss State.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:05 pm to 14&Counting
Coach told me to tell y'all that he's running out of time and can't wait much longer for y'all to pick him an OC. He said that if you don't have him a guy by Tuesday, he'll have to come off the wall with a name...just passing it along. 
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:40 pm to coachcrisp
I don't recall many people...heck, I don't recall anybody predicting McElwain, and only read about Nussmeier a couple days before he was hired. Kiffin took about everybody by surprise, and some still don't like that he was our OC even after he won 3 SEC titles and a national title. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same kind of thing this time.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:51 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Anything noteworthy in the BOL update on our OC search?
Posted on 2/12/17 at 7:24 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
LINK ]What Nick Saban’s past hires indicate about the next Alabama offensive coordinator
SEC Counrty | Feb 12, 2017
SEC Counrty | Feb 12, 2017
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For the sixth time in his Alabama tenure, Nick Saban will have to hire a new offensive coordinator.
It’s nothing new for the championship-winning head coach, and it’s something he’s already had to this offseason. He replaced Lane Kiffin with Steve Sarkisian, only for Sarkisian to bolt for the Atlanta Falcons.
In looking back at some of Saban’s past hires, there are a couple of trends. For one, his past four hires all had at least some NFL experience. Of the five hires, only Kiffin had previously coached in the SEC, and that was for one season at Tennessee.
Likewise, all five coaches have been a quarterbacks coach at some point in their careers. All five also played quarterback at the college level.
His last two hires both worked under Pete Carroll as offensive coordinators at USC, but don’t expect Saban to hire another former USC coordinator. John Morton, who served as USC’s offensive coordinator after Sarkisian left, just took the offensive coordinator job with the Jets. The only other offensive coordinator to work under Carroll at USC was Norm Chow, who is now the head coach at Van Nuys High School in California.
Whomever Saban hires, expect him to at one point become a head coach. Three of his past hires went on to become a head coach at the college level, while a fourth took a job as an NFL offensive coordinator.
Major Applewhite — Prior to becoming Alabama offensive coordinator: Rice OC
Alabama points per game prior to hiring: 22.9
Points per game under Applewhite: 27.1
The former Texas quarterback was Saban’s first offensive coordinator hire. He was also the only who Saban hired that didn’t have any NFL experience. Applewhite lasted just one year at Alabama before landing back at Texas. He was hired as Houston’s head coach this offseason.
Jim McElwain — Prior to becoming Alabama offensive coordinator: Fresno State OC
Alabama points per game in the year prior to hiring: 27.1
Points per game under McElwain (4 years): 33.2
McElwain raised Alabama’s offense up to a 30.1 points per game in his first year. In his final three years at the school, Alabama ranked in the top 25 in terms of points per game. McElwain was hired as Colorado State’s head coach and then replaced Will Muschamp at Florida.
Before joining Alabama, McElwain served one year as the Oakland Raiders quarterbacks coach, beginning a trend of Saban hiring coordinators with NFL experience.
Doug Nussmeier — Prior to becoming Alabama offensive coordinator: Washington OC
Alabama points per game in the year prior to hiring: 34.8
Points per game under Nussmeier(2 years): 38.5
After McElwain left, Saban replaced him with the guy who replaced McElwain at Fresno State. Nussmeier followed up McElwain at Fresno State before spending three years as Steve Sarkisian’s offensive coordinator at Washington.
After two years at Alabama, Nussmeier left to take the offensive coordinator job at Michigan. He is now McElwain’s offensive coordinator at Florida. Nussmeier also served as the Rams quarterbacks coach in the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
Lane Kiffin — Prior to becoming Alabama offensive coordinator: Head coach USC
Alabama points per game in the year prior to hiring: 38.2
Points per game under Kiffin (3 years): 36.9
Kiffin had been fired by USC before coming in and providing spread concepts to the Crimson Tide offense. While he didn’t score as many points as Nussmeier, the Crimson Tide went to the College Football Playoff each year under Kiffin.
After guiding Alabama’s highest scoring offense under Saban, Kiffin accepted the head coaching job at Florida Atlantic. He has past head coaching stints at USC, Tennessee and the Oakland Raiders.
Steve Sarkisian — Prior to becoming Alabama offensive coordinator: Alabama offensive analyst
Alabama points per game in the year prior to hiring: 38.8
Points per game under Sarkisian: 31
He only got one game and a few days as Alabama’s offensive coordinator, as Sarkisian was bumped up shortly after Alabama dismissed Kiffin for the national championship game against Clemson. The Crimson Tide put up 31 points against the Tigers, but it was hardly a masterpiece.
He was the third offensive coordinator that had ties to the Raiders, as Sarkisian served as the team’s quarterbacks coach for the 2004 season. Like Kiffin, Sarkisian was the head coach at USC before joining the Alabama staff as an analyst.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 7:45 pm to TidalSurge1
Sounds like we will be looking for a guy currently coaching west of the Mississippi River.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 8:02 pm to alabamabuckeye
I haven't been a BamaOnLine subscriber since the original BOL bit the dust in 2000, so I don't know.
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