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Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:12 pm to Teague
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:12 pm to Teague
quote:The risk in having a great QB that isn't a game manager is the potential in turnovers. They typically attempt and complete far more difficult throws. That's just the nature of the position. Tua is a very smart QB and will add more to his knowledge of what throws he can and can't make. I don't think he will get us in too much trouble with picks, but Saban may be wary of it.
I really don't think there's a risk to having a great QB. There's a risk to starting a freshman. There's a risk to playing a guy who is prone to throwing INT's. But, a great QB, who is ready to start, is no more risk than a "safe" QB who doesn't turn the ball over and can't make the plays. Just because a QB CAN throw the ball doesn't mean you have to call those plays.
There's no downside, if all things are equal. And being able to throw a ball isn't inherently riskier. It's all upside. The skill is there when you want/need it.
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Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:19 pm to MontyFranklyn
Saban on QB battle: 'If I'm ready to tell you, I'll tell you' (BamaOnLine)
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:57 pm to BIGJLAW
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Is Kaho that good that after maybe two weeks he is listed on the two deep depth chart and Ben Davis who has been here three years isn't. Not knocking Davis but he must be soft as Charmin. Well maybe that last statement is knocking him.
We don't know what the issue is with Ben Davis, but he's definitely been underwhelming thus far. The "soft" stuff came from Boz, and I haven't seen that specific criticism elsewhere. But he's not selling what Saban is buying, that's for sure.
Having said that, Davis is back with the OLB group and wouldn't be listed on the ILB depth chart no matter the case.
I'm seen with my own eyes enough to know Aho moves really well. There is a rumor that he's not exactly a rocket scientist, but it's just an isolated rumor. But I'd bet a large portion of money that he's not the first Will off the bench. Even if he's a better athlete than either Benton or McMillan, their vastly superior playbook knowledge would put both of them above Aho in real world situations where we need to insert a Will LB against a good team.
I think this just tells us that Aho is not redshirting, or it tells us that he's gonna play in those last 4 games and his insertion point is at Will for 2 reasons: it's much less to know play-book wise, and it requires a person who moves well in order to drop into coverage. Will does that much more than Mike.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:06 pm to Teague
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I really don't think there's a risk to having a great QB. There's a risk to starting a freshman. There's a risk to playing a guy who is prone to throwing INT's. But, a great QB, who is ready to start, is no more risk than a "safe" QB who doesn't turn the ball over and can't make the plays. Just because a QB CAN throw the ball doesn't mean you have to call those plays.
There's no downside, if all things are equal. And being able to throw a ball isn't inherently riskier. It's all upside. The skill is there when you want/need it.
Excellent post.
The goal of any offense is to:
1) Score as many points as possible per unit time (or per play) while balancing risk and not putting the defense into too many compromising situations.
2) Make the opposing defense's preparation as difficult as possible, and make the execution of this plan as difficult as possible.
Simply put in Bama terms, our offense with Tua at the helm is much more difficult to scheme and prepare for than with Hurts. As long as Tua's play doesn't produce an intolerable amount of negative plays, he's the better choice and there is no logical argument against it. The winner of the game is the team with more points.
However, we could win 80% of our games with Mac Jones at the helm because of overall talent superiority.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:14 pm to Teague
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Personally, I predicted BB8 to be our QB that year, and I thought he outplayed Hurts in the USC game. He certainly threw the ball better. And the "deer in the headlights" narrative was silly.
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Secondly, I really think Saban and Kiffin wanted a mobile QB.
If Hurts had not existed in 2016, I have no doubt that Barnett would have developed and been allowed to mature into the role. However, he would have had to stop with the gunslinger stuff, as he really liked to turn the ball over in scrimmages.
Regarding the Hurts running stuff, I can't agree that Saban and Kiffin "wanted a running QB", at least not Kiffin anyway. That's not his offensive philosophy and never has been.
However, I think Saban and Kiffin both saw that Hurts is a next level runner at QB, and they believed that they could win a bunch of games with a running QB when coupled with an elite defense and punter. It makes sense.
Having said that, Barnett bailed way too soon on his Bama career and would have had a great chance to take the job from Hurts in 2016 and in 2017. Hurts' passing has simply developed way too slowly, and I wish he had had Dan Enos, a dedicated QB coach, from the start.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:21 pm to prevatt33
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Aho
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:35 pm to prevatt33
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We don't know what the issue is with Ben Davis, but he's definitely been underwhelming thus far. The "soft" stuff came from Boz, and I haven't seen that specific criticism elsewhere. But he's not selling what Saban is buying, that's for sure. Having said that, Davis is back with the OLB group and wouldn't be listed on the ILB depth chart no matter the case. I'm seen with my own eyes enough to know Aho moves really well. There is a rumor that he's not exactly a rocket scientist, but it's just an isolated rumor.
Neither of those things are rumors
Ben is soft and doesn’t have the stuff is not just me.
Aho has all the physical traits but wasn’t getting the uptake apparently the lightbulb came on.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:35 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:38 pm to TidalSurge1
Boggles the mind to think Ben Davis and Nigel Knott still can't make the three deep in their third year.
Also surprised that Mikhail Benton is still third team.
Also surprised that Mikhail Benton is still third team.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:49 pm to My2Bits
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Also surprised that Mikhail Benton is still third team.
No, that depth chart says McMillan and Benton are both 2nd team Mike.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:50 pm to prevatt33
That's better. He will be needed this year.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:53 pm to My2Bits
Not sure if he is that talented but Knott has been hurt pretty much his whole career at Bama
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:54 pm to prevatt33
Ha. Blake still sucks.
Enough of this narrative. He has failed and transferred too many times for people to continue it.
Enough of this narrative. He has failed and transferred too many times for people to continue it.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:03 pm to YStar
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Ha. Blake still sucks.
Enough of this narrative. He has failed and transferred too many times for people to continue it.
The "narrative" hasn't continued because of Barnett's talent - it has continued because of Hurts' sustained shortcomings.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 5:12 pm to YStar
Just like that other So.Cal QB that committed de-committed to us and wandered around the college football landscape. He was a five star rated number one in the country by Bleacher Report in 2015. Ricky Towns!
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:06 pm to My2Bits
Give me a qb from Texas over one from Cali 95% of the time.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 6:20 pm to Teague
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Personally, I predicted BB8 to be our QB that year, and I thought he outplayed Hurts in the USC game. He certainly threw the ball better.
I believe I also predicted BB8 to be the starter and I also thought he threw the ball better.
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And the "deer in the headlights" narrative was silly. He was a young guy playing in his first game on a huge stage, and he looked pretty good doing it.
The few times we saw Barnett that season he would absolutely look clueless when he got rushed. Like Stidham did at times for Auburn last year. I'm sure if he played more he would've gotten better at dealing with it, but there is no debating that he was shook by pressure.
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Just like Hurts' "cool and calm" demeanor. You might not see the nerves in his expression, but you could always see it in his play. People were too wrapped up in both narratives.
I definitely agree about Jalen. The whole "he's so calm" thing is just because of his expression. The way he actually played looked like he was very much not calm in the pocket or under pressure.
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But, if your QB can only do one of two things, it's always better if he can throw rather than run.
Definitely.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:28 pm to prevatt33
or with Jalen.
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:45 pm to Panthers4life
Nick Saban dishes on QBs, kickers, Louisville matchup (al.com)
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Nick Saban addressed the media Monday as the Crimson Tide sets its sights on its opener against Louisville on Saturday.
Here is a summary of what he said:
-- Saban said Louisville coach Bobby Petrino is a really good offensive coach. He added this game is going to be "real challenging" for the defense.
-- The kicker decision hasn't been made. In a confusing entry on the depth chart, Joseph Bulovas appeared to be listed as placekicker and Austin Jones is listed as the kickoff specialist. But Saban said a final determination on who will handle each role hasn't been made.
-- Saban said no decision has been made on the quarterbacks, either. He also wouldn't guarantee both Jalen Hurts and Tua Tagovailoa would play Saturday even though he has indicated in the past that is a possibility.
-- When asked about defending Jawon Pass, Saban is curious to see how the defense establishes an identity.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 8/27/18 at 7:49 pm to TidalSurge1
Alabama practice report: Notes on injured players, scout team (al.com)
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Though preparation officially began last week for Louisville, there was a Monday-of-game-week feel to Alabama practice.
It was as comfortable as 90 degrees could feel for the late-afternoon workout. Here's what we saw:
-- Najee Harris looked strong making sharp cuts with the running backs. He missed a few weeks with a foot injury but has been steadily working back closer to playing form leading into Saturday's game with Louisville.
-- It looked like Trevon Diggs was practicing like normal after being spotted in uniform but off to the side at Saturday's workout.
-- Working on nickel situations, Diggs and Savion Smith were the cornerbacks. On the depth chart released earlier Monday, Smith and true freshmen Patrick Surtain II were listed as co-No. 1 cornerbacks.
-- There were scout team jerseys around the field but it was harder to ID who was wearing what since players were still in practice helmets that don't include numbers on the side. There were several No. 25s for Louisville's top returning rusher Dae Williams.
-- The scout team offensive line that was helping the defensive line included true freshman Tommy Brown, Kendall Randolph and Elliot Baker.
-- Braxton Barker was the scout quarterback in the group helping the defensive line. True freshman Layne Hatcher was the scout-team QB behind the first-team offensive line.
-- Stephon Wynn still isn't back on the field after going down early in camp with an injury.
-- John Parker Wilson, the new color analyst on Alabama's radio broadcast, was out there watching practice with trustee emeriti Angus Cooper.
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