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Posted on 7/14/20 at 9:56 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 7/14/20 at 9:56 am to Robot Santa
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It didn't wreck the economy, it didn't permanently change anything about this country, and you can't pretend it did because history proves you wrong.
Are you suggesting our economy wasn't wrecked by this and that people are making it up?
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Posted on 7/14/20 at 9:59 am to Robot Santa
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The point is that wearing a damn mask and not being able to go see a movie or go bowling isn't some unprecedented, tyrannical infringement on anyone's civil rights, nor does it pose some direct threat to life as we know it.
The measures instituted earlier this year went far further than that and you know it.
If those were the restrictions back then we’d still be tolerating them and we would be in the same or better place. Instead, you were banned from simply walking on the beach even if you lived there. People were charged for sitting in their cars in church parking lots. Sam’s club could host several hundred people at the same time and sell all of them a piece of furniture but the small shop that gets 20 customers and sells 3 sofas all day couldn’t even open the doors.
Those measures most certainly DID infringe on people’s rights and threatened the livelihoods of tens if not hundreds of thousands.
Where we are now is reasonable. Where we were then should have been criminal.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 10:44 am to JustGetItRight
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ERRORS FOUND: Florida's positivity rate is skewed. #FOX35 went through #COVID19 test reports & found many clinics reporting 100% positivity. @orlandohealth admits their number is wrong, saying it shows 98% positive, but it's actually 9.4%. @fox35orlando
Fox Orlando
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 10:45 am to Cobrasize
Most of Florida's numbers are skewed higher.
Something is supposed to happen in this state. Not sure what it is. Wonder why Cali not getting the attention?
Something is supposed to happen in this state. Not sure what it is. Wonder why Cali not getting the attention?
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:03 am to Crimsonians
Ran across this video being shared on Twitter, and if you have 30 minutes or so to get the gist (or even just skip around), I'd be curious to know everyone's opinions on what is stated.
Interview With Dr. Scott W. Atlas
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Scott W. Atlas, M.D. is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University and a Member of Hoover Institution’s Working Group on Health Care Policy
Interview With Dr. Scott W. Atlas
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:37 am to paperwasp
I've only listened to the first 9 minutes. He is spot on and more people need to listen to this information than what they hear on TV.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:38 am to Crimsonians
The rest of the video may change, but he should help bring the fear down in people, but unfortunately it won't.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:45 am to Crimsonians
When was the video done?
Posted on 7/14/20 at 11:47 am to TideSaint
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Did that article say they completely shut the country down like we did?
Their measures paid off to the tune of 675,000 deaths in the United States. I wouldn't be doing a victory lap over this article.
Ignore him. Robot Santa is going to lie to protect his position. COVID is strictly political to him.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:15 pm to TideSaint
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Are you suggesting our economy wasn't wrecked by this and that people are making it up?
Something can be affected without being ruined. An economic downturn that lasts for 6 months and an economic depression that lasts for 6 years are two totally different things. A global pandemic is inevitably going to hurt the economy. No one is going to deny that. But allowing it to spread unmitigated is just throwing gas on the fire.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:21 pm to JustGetItRight
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If those were the restrictions back then we’d still be tolerating them and we would be in the same or better place.
Oh OK, so these mask ordinances being passed in July that you people are calling government overreach would have been acceptable had they been passed in May? Give me a fricking break.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:26 pm to Crimsonians
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When was the video done?
Published on July 7, a week ago.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:54 pm to JustGetItRight
One size fits all lockdowns for areas not yet facing surges, especially insofar as they favored huge corporations that pay low wages over smaller businesses look bad in retrospect.
The important thing to note is that this can also be understood as a direct result of our extreme inability to test at that time. The lack of testing disaster which seems the most "criminal" of anything created exponential problems from the beginning since local leaders really had little idea how widespread it was early on.
Mask absurdity had less to do with those lockdown measures than, again, preparedness and quick action in having more supply while we were watching this hit Europe and also stronger leadership to nip the "great mask rebellion" in the bud.
The important thing to note is that this can also be understood as a direct result of our extreme inability to test at that time. The lack of testing disaster which seems the most "criminal" of anything created exponential problems from the beginning since local leaders really had little idea how widespread it was early on.
Mask absurdity had less to do with those lockdown measures than, again, preparedness and quick action in having more supply while we were watching this hit Europe and also stronger leadership to nip the "great mask rebellion" in the bud.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:08 pm to paperwasp
He sounds exactly the way I am thinking. Reported deaths are more than actual daily deaths, but people won't distinguish between the two.
The pro-lockdown and mask people won't watch that full video.
The pro-lockdown and mask people won't watch that full video.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:09 pm to wm72
New York had strict lockdown policies but they still had the highest death ratio
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:10 pm to Cobrasize
Cuomo has caused most of the issues in the US. He is a fool.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:43 pm to Crimsonians
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I've only listened to the first 9 minutes. He is spot on and more people need to listen to this information than what they hear on TV.
It has nothing to do with where you listen to it. Listening to him adds no more value then another medical expert offering the opposite opinion. It offers only validation to someone that supports the same ideology and nothing more. If his opinion from his think tank held so much merit many more would be on par with it. And truth is everyone is all over the place.
And for the record there is proof that children who may not directly die from the virus have died from complication related to it in the immune syndrome they have contracted.
His views come from a very conservative approach that supports reopening for businesses and schools. He has become more political then medical in his opinion with the Hoover Institution and why channels like Fox News brings him on.
I am not completely disagreeing with him but also not naive to take everything someone like him says as the gospel.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:44 pm to Cobrasize
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New York had strict lockdown policies but they still had the highest death ratio
NYC I would assume also has the most dense population in the country.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:54 pm to TideWarrior
They also had the highest in the world
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No country comes close to New York state in number of deaths per million residents! The closest country is the UK that has 660 deaths per million residents! New York state had 1,668 deaths per million residents
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:54 pm to Cobrasize
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New York had strict lockdown policies but they still had the highest death ratio
Remember this story from early May?
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Cuomo says it's 'shocking' most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home
Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said.
“We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”
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