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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:34 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:34 pm to GenesChin
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So for a school like St Mary's who sells out their games and relies on that revenue, giving up a home game is hard to justify just to add a Q2 win in 1 out of 2 seasons
Don't you think they could offset some of that opportunity cost by charging more for tickets? I would think fans would be much more willing to pay cash to see Fresno State come in than Sacramento State. If they could get a Boise State level team, I think they could charge at least twice as much for that ticket as they charge for a 300 RPI opponent.
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Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:39 pm to GenesChin
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What was it?
College Basketball Talk on NBC
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There probably is some context missing on the operations side of why a team like St Mary's would turn down games
For some of the examples sure but I don't think you could use that to justify every example. I'd have to go through and listen to it again because I don't remember the exact teams. I believe there was a least one contract that they got out of when it was their turn to travel and two/three other teams that needed an extra game to schedule but were turned down.
FTR, I didn't really care about the St. Mary's situation but I know it was a bigger issue for some and that is why it was addressed on that podcast after the bracket was released.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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If you're a smaller basketball brand like Ole Miss, why not schedule some home and home games with these teams to try to steal a Q1 or Q2 win and save money?
Because none of those schools can be relied on to consistently be Q1/Q2 games or even be wins if they are good. Just look at Dayton who fell off a cliff post Archie and now are a frag on AU RPI
All of those schools outside Davidson have had shite years in the past 5 and provide no benefit.
Also, Ole Miss already has to play a 2nd rate Louisiana school. No reason to play two games in that shite state
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:45 pm to rockiee
I'm sure St Mary's fugs some things up, I'm just saying the idea that St Mary's can just "schedule better" isn't realistic
As long as they are in the WAC their OOC will never carry them to a NCAAT birth
Unlike Gonzaga, their name doesnt carry enough weight to open doors
As long as they are in the WAC their OOC will never carry them to a NCAAT birth
Unlike Gonzaga, their name doesnt carry enough weight to open doors
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:48 pm to GenesChin
This isn't football where you have to schedule years in advance though. It's not hard to predict if a team will be good before the season or even two years ahead. Anyone could've predicted Dayton was in for a dropoff. All of Archie's star players were seniors. They would've dropped off even with Archie. Similar to Dan Hurley at URI, Miller knew when to get out of there.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:55 pm to GenesChin
Heron already signed with an agent. He won't get drafted. That's cause for concern.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 1:58 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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This isn't football where you have to schedule years in advance though
For a home/home it is a 2 year commitment
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It's not hard to predict if a team will be good before the season
You can normally pin down a band they'll be in, but injuries + underperformance are a real thing
Just look at Bama vs UTAR, expected to be much better than it ended up
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even two years ahead.
A lot of good coaches go to the next job which affects the team (Ark LR Beard to Flanigan, lots of returning experience but 50% of the wins)
A lot of kids transfer / grad transfer up a level from mid majors
A lot of midmajors development expectations are wacky
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Anyone could've predicted Dayton was in for a dropoff.
Maybe, but midmajor volatility is a lot harder to predict since so much is based on development vs talent level
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:01 pm to GenesChin
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I'm just saying the idea that St Mary's can just "schedule better" isn't realistic
It definitely isn't as easy as some think. Maybe I wasn't clear earlier either. It isn't like the hosts of the podcast were hating on St. Mary's, as much as they were explaining to everyone what they could have done better. They just provided great info on what can be done in the future to help and more context.
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As long as they are in the WAC their OOC will never carry them to a NCAAT birth
Sure but that is why its important to squeeze as much value as possible during their OOC scheduling. Obviously you can't just tell them to play a ton of road games like that fixes everything without creating other issues.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:30 pm to rockiee
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Sure but that is why its important to squeeze as much value as possible during their OOC scheduling.
Not necessarily. They could get MTSU'd on the opposite end
MTSU lost 3 very close neutral games vs #4 AU, #6Miami and bubble team USC while beating admittedly trash Ole Miss/Vandy
Posted on 4/11/18 at 2:41 pm to GenesChin
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Not necessarily. They could get MTSU'd on the opposite end
MTSU lost 3 very close neutral games vs #4 AU, #6Miami and bubble team USC while beating admittedly trash Ole Miss/Vandy
I'm not saying that creating a better OOC schedule means you are automatically going to make it. Obviously, you still have to take care of business. I'm saying you leave it less in the hands of the committee. I don't mean value as purely creating a difficult OOC schedule.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 4:27 pm to rockiee
My point is that the gains St Marys makes only pay off when they both win those games AND march through the rest of their remaining schedule. If they fail either, they are arguably in an even worse position as they gave up revenue they rely on to fund their program + haven't improved their position
Posted on 4/11/18 at 4:33 pm to GenesChin
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My point is that the gains St Marys makes only pay off when they both win those games AND march through the rest of their remaining schedule. If they fail either, they are arguably in an even worse position as they gave up revenue they rely on to fund their program + haven't improved their position
That is why I mentioned scheduling with the most value possible. Finding the best balance between those two outcomes. Not ever going to be perfect but they can improve imo.
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:48 pm to rockiee
Has pioneer gotten access to post here? Or has he even applied?
Moar access to basketball talk.
Moar access to basketball talk.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:50 pm to Bryant91092
Would love to have him transfer our team. however, he probably thinks we are too soft in the paint to deserve his talents... lol
Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:53 pm to Gary Busey
Also, to fans of opposing teams, we're gonna frick your team hard next year. Herb Jones will go off; Dazon will have a double-double; Hall will be relentless in the paint; Reese and Petty will have a combined 15 3s a game against your team.
Sorry Gene, Rockie, and Gator.
. Im drunk as shite and will pound your assess in rocket league right now.
Sorry Gene, Rockie, and Gator.
. Im drunk as shite and will pound your assess in rocket league right now. Posted on 4/11/18 at 7:54 pm to Gary Busey
Making some bomb arse tacos right now
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:10 pm to Gary Busey
Whatcha drinking???
I've seen pioneer post over here, I don't know why he stays away from the basketball thread though
I've seen pioneer post over here, I don't know why he stays away from the basketball thread though
This post was edited on 4/11/18 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:20 pm to Cobrasize
Brother I am drinking Tripel Katmeliet. And watching the Stanley Cup has hammered.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:24 pm to Gary Busey
Does that stuff taste pretty good? I know it's pretty strong for beer
Posted on 4/11/18 at 8:31 pm to Gary Busey
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Moar access to basketball talk.
If we add any more people, this might as well become the SECrant basketball thread
This has to be the most consistently active basketball discussion thread/board on the site
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