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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk

Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:16 pm to
He can't hang on to the ball either
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:39 pm to
Here’s a video of Coach Cochran working with some former and current players in the weight room. Collin Sexton is one of them. LINK
Posted by Kcstills17
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:48 pm to
Coach Cochran is in his ear. Sexton back confirmed.
Posted by Gongora
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:51 pm to
I agree. If he developed better footwork it’d help him out offensively and defensively. The man can barely pivot.
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:30 pm to
Alabama is visiting Watford tomorrow
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:53 pm to
@Tony_Tsoukalas (BamaInsider)

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Sources: Sexton will declare for NBA Draft on Friday


Well there we have it. We knew it was coming.

Posted by 420centraltime
Gump nation
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:53 pm to
Gidden would be excellent if they still allowed players to play fairly physical, but I think the touch fouls have limited players like Giddens.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:12 pm to
Yeah I'm expecting to look at Giddens hands one game and realize he just has nubs.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:17 pm to
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Giddens isn't that bad. He's actually solid defensively and offensively, he just needs work on the boards and learn how to defend without fouling. He definitely could find a mid-major where he can start pretty easily.
Kessens dominated at FIU so I'm sure Giddens would wreck in a low-major conference. He'd be physically dominant.

His RB% was shockingly low, though. He's still athletic enough that I wouldn't push him out but if you're losing minutes to a freshman Smith then you need to reevaluate where you're at in your basketball career.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:02 pm to
Don't agree with any thought that we won't be better next yr...First of all we ll be more experienced and even deeper. Don't see Ingram leaving but key might , but key is purely special. I see us being better due to being older and more experienced. Lsu will be hyped but that group hasn't even played together and proven that they can mesh, Florida is ahead of us due to benefit of the doubt and that's it.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:23 pm to
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His RB% was shockingly low, though. He's still athletic enough that I wouldn't push him out but if you're losing minutes to a freshman Smith then you need to reevaluate where you're at in your basketball career.



He was pretty horrible on the boards last year. That's why Smith ended up taking over and he's pretty bad on the boards himself. Giddens just needs a lot of work on positioning himself for the rebound. He's one of those guys that gets so focused on the ball that he forgets his surroundings. Smith is the opposite as he gets so focused on finding his man and boxing him out that he loses track of where the ball went. At least with Smith, you can take ease in knowing his man will be out of the equation at least half the time.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:53 am to
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Don't agree with any thought that we won't be better next yr.


I mean, you are the most optimistic, crimson sunshine pumper on the board. It would raise some serious red flags if you didn't believe this as the guy who projected 12-13W SEC wins this past season

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I see us being better due to being older and more experienced.


This reason only is valid if you have guys that are both talented + just 1 years development/learning away from high level performance.

I've said it before, I think Alabama is set up for 2019-2020 season. I think guys like Reese/Smith are 2 years away from being good, Petty/Herb are 2 years away from being go to guys while key positions like PG won't be manned by true FR





Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:07 pm to
Alabama's problem will be point guard. The returning players are not quick enough to play point guard in the SEC.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13166 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:24 pm to
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This reason only is valid if you have guys that are both talented + just 1 years development/learning away from high level performance.


So because you arbitrarily decided that our guys are two years away from being good, saying the team should be better with experience isn't valid?

A guy like Reese could be a stud next year, in two years, or never even good here. Just because you just think he won't be good next year, doesn't mean experience will make the team better is some sunshine pumping idea.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37821 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:43 pm to
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So because you arbitrarily decided that our guys are two years away from being good, saying the team should be better with experience isn't valid?


I was saying dismissing any notions that the team won't be better, as VA40 did, isn't valid.

To not only offset the loss but improve after losing a generational talent like Sexton who was >30% usage is extremely tough. VA40 is saying he doesn't agree with any idea that it won't happen

My point was not that it was impossible, I just don't see who is ready to not only fill that void but improve upon it. Quite a few guys have potential to do it, I juts am not sure they are ready


This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:58 pm to
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So because you arbitrarily decided that our guys are two years away from being good, saying the team should be better with experience isn't valid?

A guy like Reese could be a stud next year, in two years, or never even good here. Just because you just think he won't be good next year, doesn't mean experience will make the team better is some sunshine pumping idea


Yeah, the dude is definitely a sunshine pumper, but trying to pretend that it's obvious all of our guys are for sure 2 years away from being good/great is pretty ridiculous. That's the year most of us are looking forward to, but it's not because we think all of those guys are 2 years away from figuring it out. We look forward to 2019-20 because of the overall experience of the team as well as what should be a very nice class to supplement it with.

It's definitely not a stretch to think we'll be better when we return all but one person on the third youngest team in NCAA and add 1 good and 1 solid veteran to the team.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37821 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:28 pm to
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trying to pretend that it's obvious all of our guys are for sure 2 years away


Ironically, I was trying to say that projecting an "obvious" improvement like VA40 is suggesting was off

Just because I think the guys are 2 years away personally from filling the void left by Sexton, it isn't unreasonable to think someone makes an unexpected huge breakout. Happens all the time in CBB

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It's definitely not a stretch to think we'll be better when we return all but one person



Normally, I'd agree with this. I'm saying it is less a sure thing when that one person is a >30% usage generational talent like Sexton, whose presence on the floor attracts D attention/scheming while reducing D pressure applied to the other 4 players


I'd compare it to the Bulls when Jordan left to play some Alabama stick ball. Bulls were still a good 50+ win team, even as some guys stepped up like Pippen, they weren't able to fill that GOAT sized void
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13785 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:22 pm to
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Yeah, the dude is definitely a sunshine pumper, but trying to pretend that it's obvious all of our guys are for sure 2 years away from being good/great is pretty ridiculous. That's the year most of us are looking forward to, but it's not because we think all of those guys are 2 years away from figuring it out. We look forward to 2019-20 because of the overall experience of the team as well as what should be a very nice class to supplement it with.

It's definitely not a stretch to think we'll be better when we return all but one person on the third youngest team in NCAA and add 1 good and 1 solid veteran to the team.

It's not a stretch of course but it's also not a stretch to think that one player who accounted for a third of the offense when he was on the floor and somehow was by far the most efficient non-Hall player on the roster will be harder to replace than the average guy, especially when the replacements for him are either inexperienced or aren't very dynamic.

Also a point I haven't seen mentioned is that there's no guarantee that 8-10 in the SEC gets you into the dance next year. It usually doesn't.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:50 pm to
Look u can call me what u want , I just see the trajectory we re on after the dumpster fire that Avery inherited. Im also realistic tho and realize experience dsnt guarantee anything but it usually bodes well that a team will be older and more mature. However it's arbitrarily ok for fans outside our fanbase to assess and criticize our roster.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:57 pm to
To be fair people get pissed off at Bama fans for being critical and assessing our roster. Criticism is fair and part of life and it doesn't matter where it comes from.
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