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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:05 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:05 pm to mistaken4193
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Yall got that VCU kid this year that plays the same position ,correct?
He is a true combo guard, so more than capable of handling the backup pg minutes. We likely improve by not forcing minutes to Mitchell next year
Not quite the distributor you'd want for a full 40 minutes, but he definitely has the skillset to play PG
The two major concerns about the transfer are injury depth and long term roster management for 20-21 season.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:11 pm to GenesChin
I'll add to the above, I actually really like Mitchell the kid who transferred
The transfer RS year is probably the best thing that could happen to him
The transfer RS year is probably the best thing that could happen to him
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:15 pm to GenesChin
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Key hasn't been a good olayer for Bama since he showed up. He should be a depth wing at best
He made the all freshmen team his first year here.
some of the hot takes on this site. Key's overall and 3pt field goal percentage dropped from his freshman to his sophomore campaign, so saying his usage rate is all that changed is wrong. Key is mediocre, but to those of you wanting him gone, who would you have playing the four over him? If we continue switching everything on defense, Reese and Galin are liabilities on the perimeter. Not that Key is very good at that either, but he's better than those two. Reese and Galin were embarrassingly bad defensive rebounders last season as well.
I'd much rather keep Key than have Riley. If both leave, and we find a good replacement that's fine, but I think that's unlikely.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:32 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Agree with you about Key.
We often talk about the mid-major teams in the tourney that are tougher because they have a lot of upperclassmen that have been in the program 3+ years yet seem to give up on our players if they have some flaws as freshmen and sophomores.
In addition to being a pretty versatile player on defense like you point out, I would add that Key's shot doesn't look bad at all and he's smooth for a big guy. Seems the type player that could have a breakout season with increased confidence in his shot (and passing) and developing a stronger handle on the ball when driving. These are the type things many players improve on as juniors and seniors the same way Hall has improved catching tougher passes and finishing.
I'm optimistic about Key's contribution going forward if he sticks it out here.
We often talk about the mid-major teams in the tourney that are tougher because they have a lot of upperclassmen that have been in the program 3+ years yet seem to give up on our players if they have some flaws as freshmen and sophomores.
In addition to being a pretty versatile player on defense like you point out, I would add that Key's shot doesn't look bad at all and he's smooth for a big guy. Seems the type player that could have a breakout season with increased confidence in his shot (and passing) and developing a stronger handle on the ball when driving. These are the type things many players improve on as juniors and seniors the same way Hall has improved catching tougher passes and finishing.
I'm optimistic about Key's contribution going forward if he sticks it out here.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:35 pm to Kcstills17
I think Hall has NBA role player potential, but he would be dumb to leave this year. If you aren't a lottery guy, you should stay this year because the 2019 class is awful. This year's class is very good.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:42 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I have debated the Key-Riley, who would be better. If key doesn't shoot the ball any better, I would take Riley. He will bust his A, plays physical and hard. And probably leads the team in rebounds.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:06 pm to IB4bama
Riley for sure
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:07 pm to GenesChin
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Key hasn't been a good olayer for Bama since he showed up. He should be a depth wing at best
You’re exaggerating. Last year he averaged 12 points, 5.7 rebs, and 2.5 assists in an average of 30 mins of game time. Not great, but certainly doesn’t warrant saying he hasn’t been good since he showed up.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:19 pm to IB4bama
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And probably leads the team in rebounds
I actually really like Norris, but Key has been a better rebounder for sure and Hall has been infinitely better on the boards. I'm not sure who I'd take of the 2 if we're just looking at next season, but since Key has 2 more years of eligibility, and flashed the potential to be an extremely good role player, I'll go Key.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:36 pm to A-TOWNUAFAN
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Riley for sure
Key's freshman stats would be career bests for Riley in points per game, field goal percentage, and rebounds per game. I'll say Riley doesn't turn it over like Key, but that's mostly because he's never asked to do anything that would leave him susceptible to turning it over.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:53 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I don't want Key to leave because of depth, but I wouldn't be upset. I'd be more disappointed that Avery's first recruiting class turned out to be a complete busy, and it really wasn't his fault.
The thing with Key that is the most irritating is that he can a liability on defense too. I get Reese and Galin were both lost when offenses made switches, but there's been times where Key would get caught flat footed, and the ball handler would effortlessly drive in for a layup. He was hyped up to be a well-rounded player, but more so on there defense end. Also, he's 6-8, 225lb. Sometimes he plays smaller than he should and is too reliant on his jump shot.
The thing with Key that is the most irritating is that he can a liability on defense too. I get Reese and Galin were both lost when offenses made switches, but there's been times where Key would get caught flat footed, and the ball handler would effortlessly drive in for a layup. He was hyped up to be a well-rounded player, but more so on there defense end. Also, he's 6-8, 225lb. Sometimes he plays smaller than he should and is too reliant on his jump shot.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:34 pm to dplo
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Last year he averaged 12 points
That's what happens when you are the highest usage player on the team playing 30mpg
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5.7 rebs
His rebounding % of 6.0 and 15.3% are paltry for a stretch 4 / 3
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and 2.5 assists
Ya he actually was pretty good at assists last year but he paired that with a very high TO ratr
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:36 pm to GenesChin
I think Key has it athleticism just not skill/Feel for the game
I'm sticking to my belief that Key stats per game was due to his high usage and not to actual play
I'm sticking to my belief that Key stats per game was due to his high usage and not to actual play
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:57 pm to GenesChin
Keys stats are also misleading because for his first 8 games he did basically nothing coming off his injury. He was definitely better late in the year. Stats are a poor way to measure him.
And he's definitely not overly athletic.
he shot 25% in his first 8 games
over 46% after
we definitely want him back, Gheesh.
And he's definitely not overly athletic.
he shot 25% in his first 8 games
over 46% after
we definitely want him back, Gheesh.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 4:38 pm to GenesChin
Gene, you might be thinking of Ingram. Key is average athlete at best. Fundamentally he’s fairly sound albeit too passive.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:12 pm to Gongora
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Gene, you might be thinking of Ingram.
Definitely not, I think what makes Ingram solid to good is his ability to leverage his skillset against his mismatch size. Ingram isn't winning by "out athleting" his opponents
For a P5 caliber ball dominant guard/wing? His athleticism is about average
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Key is average athlete at best.
If Bama wanted him to play a finesse/skilled SF role (which is what Key does)? Sure, I'd agree.
For a 6'8 225lb player at the 4? He is strong, +coordination, +lateral agility and looks comfortable moving. He isn't going to win a vert contest or a 100m race, but he is at least in the ballpark of Grant Williams/Yante Maten athletically sans a few LBs
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Fundamentally he’s fairly sound albeit too passive.
He is a stretch 4 that can't shoot consistently, isn't reliable as a post scorer and doesn't look comfortable in post defense. He also doesn't fight hard on the glass
Yes, he is fundamentally sound but he doesn't have much in terms of advanced skills and is limited in his post skills.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:54 pm to GenesChin
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He is strong
Yes.
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+coordination
I could see that I guess
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+lateral agility
Wait, who are we talking about? Key definitely doesn't have that. People talk about Norris being too unathletic to play defense, but his lateral agility absolutely smokes Key's. Key was getting beat off the dribble by true 4s all season long.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 5:58 pm to BigBird09
Assuming Key is still on the roster next year, Avery might want to give him some of Mike's secret stuff so he'll believe he knows how to play basketball again.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 6:10 pm to Gary Busey
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The thing with Key that is the most irritating is that he can a liability on defense too. I get Reese and Galin were both lost when offenses made switches, but there's been times where Key would get caught flat footed, and the ball handler would effortlessly drive in for a layup.
This is what frustrates me too. In HS, they labeled him as a super-star role player. They said he didn't have any holes in his game. Defense is definitely a hole in his game and he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of a lot of 4s he guards and that should have been evident in HS, especially considering he was projected as a SF.
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He was hyped up to be a well-rounded player, but more so on there defense end.
I actually remember people talking about his offense just as much as the defense. At least with his offense, you could see flashes of what they were talking about: solid rebounder, solid passer with good vision, and capable scorer. The thing that blows my mind is that he was the 3rd option on his team in HS and flourished in that role, yet when he gets asked to not be the primary creator in his second year here, he got worse. You'd have to think he was okay with taking a backseat to a top 10 draft pick if he was used to and okay with it in HS. I'm sincerely hoping this was just chemistry and injury issues after his extended absence. He definitely has the potential to be one hell of a lot better than he was this year, at least offensively.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 6:19 pm
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