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re: 2019 game streaming advice (non-paid):

Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:09 pm to
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Just get a job


Wow. Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Are you insinuating that I don't have enough money to afford traditional TV service? If so, you are completely wrong. I'm a successful small business owner and my wife is a pharmacist. Either one of our individual incomes makes our family Upper Middle class in the country where we live, and together we're doing REALLY well.

I go the lengths I go to watch football games because I do not live in the US, and the traditional cable TV and satellite options do not provide the necessary American channels to cover my football watching needs. Hell, the ESPN I'd get is from Mexico. Have you ever watched football with Spanish announcers? Similarly, Netflix's selection is limited, and I refer to have access to EVERYTHING.

And so, I find your insinuation both pathetically ignorant and insulting. And what about soldiers overseas who need similar resources to watch the games? Wold you like to tell them to "just get a job".

I think you should just get a clue.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:10 pm to
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Incredibly, Reddit ESPN streams are better than WatchESPN Streams


This is true.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
17002 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:52 pm to
Prevatt,

We use the latest version Leia but as far as stream resources have found IT or Tempest to be reliable for good quality streams. I haven’t found a game or show for that matter we couldn’t watch.

We have fiber here so upload and download are at a premium plus my addition of the AX12 to dedicate to certain devices and reallocate to the kids. All n all I’m very happy with the fire stick combo, I tried Roku and didn’t like it, did Apple TV and it was ok.

Kids have a shield and love it.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22882 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:30 am to
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No walkthrough for us linux folk? Lol, clearly kidding, but you seem to be pretty good with the computers, what OS do you use?



I have a PC with unbuntu I use for certain tasks. I think I would go nuts if it was my main PC.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:33 am to
I just came across some nice links for those who like to use acestream links. For those that don't know, acestream links are like playing a torrent file as a streaming video. It's great for finding HD streams, but is really frowned upon by many American ISPs. A reliable VPN is highly recommended. If anyone has VPN recommendations, please chime in. Outside the US, I doubt a VPN is necessary. It certainly isn't needed in Latin America.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveTvLinks/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveTvLinks/comments/cewwqq/m3u8_streams/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveTvLinks/comments/c8qoqd/tv_show_channels/

To play these, you'll need to use Acestream, VLC Player, Kodi, or a browser with the HLS Magic plugin.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:58 am to
Thanks, Boz.

If anyone wants to try Boz's 2 recommended addons for games as well as movies/tv shows, their respective repositories are:

NOBODYS IT: https://t2k-cloud.co.uk/Repo

TEMPEST: https://tempest.zapto.org/repo
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 2:02 am
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2301 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 9:20 am to
I think you shouldn't steal
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18142 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 9:26 am to
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I have a PC with unbuntu I use for certain tasks. I think I would go nuts if it was my main PC.

It's great for older computers/laptops as it is less resource hungry than windows, and it gets no easier than ubuntu for a linux os. Definitely get why it's not for everyone though. I bailed when xp went extinct. Had xp setup to look like windows 98

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Nvidia shield. I can't recommend that last device enough.

Nice, the gf has much, much better internet than me... may have to look into this for the future. I appreciate the recommendation. Actually the entire thread. Your link to the reddit streams last year really allowed me to watch a lot of stuff I wouldn't have normally been able to see
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:02 pm to
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I think you shouldn't steal


Duly noted.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:02 pm to
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Your link to the reddit streams last year really allowed me to watch a lot of stuff I wouldn't have normally been able to see


Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 4:00 pm to
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I think you shouldn't steal


You know. I thought about this a bit more and wanted to lay something out.

You are saying that I'm stealing by not paying a cable tv or satellite tv provider, or some similar organization that bundles channels and sells them. Well, I disagree that I'm stealing at all, and I'll tell you why.

The channels themselves are funded by commercial advertising and product placement, which I pay for with my eyes. Now, another business enters the deal and says, "Hey. I'm gonna bundle this stuff and sell it to the consumer." I, the consumer, am saying, "Wait. I'm already paying with advertisements. Why should I pay twice for the service?"

Meanwhile, another entity is giving away all of these individual channels absolutely free - not bundled, mind you. And I am still paying the channels themselves through sitting through their advertisements.

And so my point to the cable TV/satelite providers (and other bundlers) is - good luck selling what other folks are giving away for free. I'm already paying the creators of the content. Why should I pay you AGAIN?

Some would say, but what about premium content like Netflix exclusive and HBO exclusie stuff? Well, to that I say, I'm already paying for that, too.



When someone starts creating content that's advertisement free, we can get into a conversation about whether I'm stealing. Until then, I will respectfully decline to pay TWICE.

Remember when all TV was accessed for free and funded by only advertisements? I do.

EDIT: regarding stuff like GoT that doesn't have product placement:

I've given HBO year and years worth of money in my lifetime, and I also make sure nowadays to purchase a short subscription or some merchandise to make sure I'm giving some money to the creators of the content.

This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22882 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 4:31 pm to
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You know. I thought about this a bit more and wanted to lay something out.

You are saying that I'm stealing by not paying a cable tv or satellite tv provider, or some similar organization that bundles channels and sells them. Well, I disagree that I'm stealing at all, and I'll tell you why.

The channels themselves are funded by commercial advertising and product placement, which I pay for with my eyes. Now, another business enters the deal and says, "Hey. I'm gonna bundle this stuff and sell it to the consumer." I, the consumer, am saying, "Wait. I'm already paying with advertisements. Why should I pay twice for the service?"

Meanwhile, another entity is giving away all of these individual channels absolutely free - not bundled, mind you. And I am still paying the channels themselves through sitting through their advertisements.

And so my point to the cable TV/satelite providers (and other bundlers) is - good luck selling what other folks are giving away for free. I'm already paying the creators of the content. Why should I pay you AGAIN?

Some would say, but what about premium content like Netflix exclusive and HBO exclusie stuff? Well, to that I say, I'm already paying for that, too.



When someone starts creating content that's advertisement free, we can get into a conversation about whether I'm stealing. Until then, I will respectfully decline to pay TWICE.

Remember when all TV was accessed for free and funded by only advertisements? I do.

EDIT: regarding stuff like GoT that doesn't have product placement:

I've given HBO year and years worth of money in my lifetime, and I also make sure nowadays to purchase a short subscription or some merchandise to make sure I'm giving some money to the creators of the content.


You are stealing no matter how you want to rationalize it. People who buy cable still watch the commercials too.

Even worse, you act as if you are entitled to the services.

I don't really care if people stream for free, I've tried it a few times myself. Watched some movies on Kodi in the past etc. But at least most people have the balls to call it for what it is.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15715 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 4:41 pm to
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The channels themselves are funded by commercial advertising and product placement, which I pay for with my eyes.


Without getting into the rest of the discussion, it bears pointing out that this is fundamentally untrue when it comes to the cable sports networks.

While they get some revenue from advertising, the overwhelming bulk of it comes from subscriber fees. It's a little older story but in 2015 those fees were almost 2/3rds of ESPN's revenue. ESPN isn't alone. It is the same for all the cable sports networks.

The major broadcast networks still rely largely on the ad revenue model (which is probably why you can watch CBS broadcast games for free on their app) but even the local affiliates get subscriber revenue from the local cable/sat/streaming providers.

Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 4:51 pm to
Fair point, my friend.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 5:01 pm to
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Even worse, you act as if you are entitled to the services. 



Absolutely not. No one is 'entitled' to this stuff. But I, the consumer, can find a thing for free that another entity wants to charge for. I'm not saying it's beyond criticism, and I admit that there are dubious aspects to some of it, but I have a different definition of 'stealing'.

If an apple reseller delivers and sells other farmers' apples all over the world, but does it in such a way that they drop apples all over the place - in your backyard, in my backyard, and do it every day. But they say, "don't eat those apples! Come buy these ones over here!" If I pick a damn apple up out of my own backyard and eat it, did I steal it? I don't think so.

There are obvious grey areas here and a moral discussion is fair, but you guys can get the F outta here with the 'stealing' mantra.

I'm fully aware that many will continue to disagree, and I support that. Let's agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 5:32 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 5:16 pm to
Lastly, 'stealing' being the loaded word that it is, connotates breaking the law. I can assure you that I am breaking no laws of the municipality whose jurisdiction I reside in. I don't live in the US, and I am not beholden to its laws.

When I start breaking the law, then we can have a discussion about whether I'm stealing or not.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22882 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 5:43 pm to
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Lastly, 'stealing' being the loaded word that it is, connotates breaking the law. I can assure you that I am breaking no laws of the municipality whose jurisdiction I reside in. I don't live in the US, and I am not beholden to its laws.

When I start breaking the law, then we can have a discussion about whether I'm stealing or not.




So it's not murder if there is no law against it?

Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 5:53 pm to
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So it's not murder if there is no law against it? 


Every municipality has a law against murder, so your question makes no sense.

However, it (whatever 'it' is) is not a crime if there is no law against it, yes.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 5:55 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 6:08 pm to
Expanding on your attempt, you should have asked, "Is murder not immoral if there's no law against it?" to that I say, 'no, it's not." Any society without a prohibition against murder must therefore be sanctioning its existence, thereby making it moral undertaking inside that micro-society.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22882 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 6:28 pm to
If you kill someone it's murder regardless of laws.

If you steal from someone it's theft regardless of laws.

If there are no laws, it just means you will not suffer consequences for your actions. It doesn't define the action.

This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 6:29 pm
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