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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:28 am to CrimsonTider98
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:28 am to CrimsonTider98
Yeah St. Mary's is interesting because they have such a great record, but their resume is awful. Only 4 wins against RPI top 100 teams. If the committee is serious about the quadrants, they're in trouble.
BYU has done well for us, but we need them to lose to Gonzaga. Don't need them stealing a bid.
BYU has done well for us, but we need them to lose to Gonzaga. Don't need them stealing a bid.
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:30 am to CrimsonTider98
Yes. Some people don’t realize how big that game was tonight. BYU beat St Mary’s and so it does 2 things for Bama:
1. Helps Bama’s RPI bc we won on a neutral court vs BYU
2. It possibly knocks St Mary’s our of an at large bid
Now we need BYU to lose tomorrow in the championship vs Gonzaga. We don’t need BYU winning and that putting BYU and Gonzaga in. We need Gonzaga to win so they’re the only one who gets in and that saves another spot open
1. Helps Bama’s RPI bc we won on a neutral court vs BYU
2. It possibly knocks St Mary’s our of an at large bid
Now we need BYU to lose tomorrow in the championship vs Gonzaga. We don’t need BYU winning and that putting BYU and Gonzaga in. We need Gonzaga to win so they’re the only one who gets in and that saves another spot open
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 12:32 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:34 am to Bamafan15
Agreed. Although a BYU win would likely take away a bid from Saint Mary's because I don't see 3 teams from that league getting in. It could be a win-win for teams like us regardless.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:37 am to CrimsonTider98
No, you don’t want BYU winning tomorrow. At all.
BYU win=one less at large bid, small change in RPI for Bama
BYU loss=one more at large bid available, small change in RPI for Bama
BYU win=one less at large bid, small change in RPI for Bama
BYU loss=one more at large bid available, small change in RPI for Bama
Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:42 am to Bamafan15
Oh I agree. I'm just looking at the scenarios for both possible outcomes.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:47 am to CrimsonTider98
Wow. Forbes and ETSU got boat raced last night in their conference final. UNC-Greensboro beat them handily after being tied at the half.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:56 am to phil4bama
all-time records update
Petty
Petty has moved into a tie for 8th place all-time with 77 3-pointers, needs 3 more to tie Gottfried at 81 (6th) and 5 more to tie Hollywood (5th).
Petty is now 9th all-time on 3 attempts with 209, needs 5 more to catch Grizzard at 8th.
Petty has single game record of 10 3-pointers in a game vs Ala A&M (8 players have 8 including Petty vs Aub).
Petty is 4th in single game 3-pt % at 76.9 in Ala A&M game (10-13).
Sexton
Sexton has moved into 6th place all time 164 made free throws, needs 6 more to move ahead of R King in 4th.
Sexton has 213 FT attempts (tied for 6th w Jerry Harper) and needs 20 more to get to 5th (Kubiszyn).
Sexton is tied for 8th all-time in FTs made single game with 15 vs Ariz (Tied with 5 others).
Sexton moved up to 40th all-time in scoring now with 511 (season), tied with Wendell Hudson. Key had 407 last year (97th).
Sexton is averaging 18.3, 26th all time.
Hall
Hall has 68 blocks and needs 3 more to get to #9th all time (season). 13 more blocks will get him to 3rd (season) ahead of Leon Douglass (3rd/80 and 4th/78) behind Roy Rogers (156) and Robert Horry (121).
Hall's 2.3 blocks/game would him for 4th with Davidson/Horry/McKey/McKey.
Hall had 8 blocks vs Oklahoma – tied for 8th all-time in a single game (tied with J Davidson, Roy Rogers x2, Cedric Moore, Phillip Lockett).
Hall needs 39 more rebounds to move into the top 50 (current #50 w 247 D. McKey/R. Hendrix)/He has 208.
Jones
Herbert Jones has the all-time record in charges taken with 22.
Petty
Petty has moved into a tie for 8th place all-time with 77 3-pointers, needs 3 more to tie Gottfried at 81 (6th) and 5 more to tie Hollywood (5th).
Petty is now 9th all-time on 3 attempts with 209, needs 5 more to catch Grizzard at 8th.
Petty has single game record of 10 3-pointers in a game vs Ala A&M (8 players have 8 including Petty vs Aub).
Petty is 4th in single game 3-pt % at 76.9 in Ala A&M game (10-13).
Sexton
Sexton has moved into 6th place all time 164 made free throws, needs 6 more to move ahead of R King in 4th.
Sexton has 213 FT attempts (tied for 6th w Jerry Harper) and needs 20 more to get to 5th (Kubiszyn).
Sexton is tied for 8th all-time in FTs made single game with 15 vs Ariz (Tied with 5 others).
Sexton moved up to 40th all-time in scoring now with 511 (season), tied with Wendell Hudson. Key had 407 last year (97th).
Sexton is averaging 18.3, 26th all time.
Hall
Hall has 68 blocks and needs 3 more to get to #9th all time (season). 13 more blocks will get him to 3rd (season) ahead of Leon Douglass (3rd/80 and 4th/78) behind Roy Rogers (156) and Robert Horry (121).
Hall's 2.3 blocks/game would him for 4th with Davidson/Horry/McKey/McKey.
Hall had 8 blocks vs Oklahoma – tied for 8th all-time in a single game (tied with J Davidson, Roy Rogers x2, Cedric Moore, Phillip Lockett).
Hall needs 39 more rebounds to move into the top 50 (current #50 w 247 D. McKey/R. Hendrix)/He has 208.
Jones
Herbert Jones has the all-time record in charges taken with 22.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:56 am to phil4bama
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Wow. Forbes and ETSU got boat raced last night in their conference final. UNC-Greensboro beat them handily after being tied at the half.
Every coach has been blown out. Doesn't change that Forbes has been incredible at ETSU and just about everywhere else he has been
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:03 am to GenesChin
Forbes is a great basketball coach. Everyone I know who follows ETSU basketball back home (and there are quite a few, it's a solid mid major) absolutely loves the guy.
Honestly, he's the guy Ole Miss should be after. My guess is the NCAA stuff would keep them away but he'd be great there.
Honestly, he's the guy Ole Miss should be after. My guess is the NCAA stuff would keep them away but he'd be great there.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:06 am to TomRollTideRitter
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but their resume is awful. Only 4 wins against RPI top 100 teams
Rhode Island only has 5 wins vs RPI Top 100.
MTSU only has 4 wins vs RPI Top 100
Not sure why St Marys every year gets shafted by the "SOS" argument while plenty of other midmajors don't get judged the same way.
Yes, St Marys has an extremely easy SOS, they also have won 29 games including @Gonzaga and consistently are competitive/win in the NCAAT. I see no reason why some P5 team should get in just because they have lost more games against decent opponents
I just find it hard to believe that in a field of 68 there are plenty of places for teams <20Wins while not one spot for a 29Win team
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:10 am to GenesChin
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Rhode Island only has 5 wins vs RPI Top 100.
MTSU only has 4 wins vs RPI Top 100
Shut your whore mouth. We played/beat these two.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 8:11 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:14 am to AHM21
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Shut your whore mouth. We played/beat these two.
AU beat MTSU and I'm saying that St Marys >>>>> MTSU who is projected in the field
This has always bugged me about NCAAT selection. If St Marys was a 25 or 26W team, ya leave them out. A 29Win team though deserves to be in. Winning that many games in a season is extremely difficult even in the lower leagues
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 8:15 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:18 am to GenesChin
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Not sure why St Marys every year gets shafted by the "SOS" argument while plenty of other midmajors don't get judged the same way.
Saint Mary's biggest problem is that something like 85% of their schedule fell into the dreaded Group 3/4 mix.
Group 1/2 : 4-3
Group 3 : 9-2
Group 4 : 15-0
Rhode Island
Group 1/2 : 5-5
Group 3 : 8-1
Group 4 : 10-0
MTSU
Group 1/2 : 5-4
Group 3 : 7-2
Group 4 : 11-0
So, not a giant difference, but a clear one.
Honestly, I think Saint Mary's biggest problem is they get judged against Gonzaga and not other individual mid-majors. Gonzaga is able to play in big tournaments and play big neutral games while Saint Mary's isn't, and that obviously makes Gonzaga's OOC schedule much better and makes Saint Mary's look "worse". I don't know if it's a West Coast thing or what, but I definitely think that is what happens.
I don't understand how they would get left out, though.
28 wins plus 43 RPI, 32 ELO, 30 BPI, 29 KenPom, 46 Non Conference RPI, etc. That'd be silly.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 8:22 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:23 am to GenesChin
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If St Marys was a 25 or 26W team, ya leave them out. A 29Win team though deserves to be in. Winning that many games in a season is extremely difficult even in the lower leagues
Yeah but are three more wins really that significant if they were against crap teams?
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:32 am to AHM21
Give ‘em our slot. They’ve earned it more than we have!
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Honestly, I think Saint Mary's biggest problem is they get judged against Gonzaga and not other individual mid-majors. Gonzaga is able to play in big tournaments and play big neutral games while Saint Mary's isn't, and that obviously makes Gonzaga's OOC schedule much better and makes Saint Mary's look "worse". I don't know if it's a West Coast thing or what, but I definitely think that is what happens.
You can't fault St Marys for trying though. Their OOC was filled with P5, some solid mid majors and other programs that have had success in recent years
- 2 Pac12
- 1 SEC
- New Mexico St
- Dayton
- UC Irvine (5 straight 20+ W seasons before this year)
- UNC Asheville
- Harvard
I honestly don't think a program like St Marys can schedule "better." For a team that's a very hard to beat you don't get much in return for beating them. They aren't a TV exposure opportunity, they aren't a signature resume win and they aren't viewed as a "quality loss"
Not like they get invited to good OOC tournaments either
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:51 am to AHM21
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Yeah but are three more wins really that significant if they were against crap teams?
Ya, because this would be the first time since at least '01-02 (as far back as I went) that a 27W regular season team has been left out of the tournament. Teams don't have 27Wins in the regular season very often even vs "crap opponents"
The only comparable records to be left out were a Murray St, Coastal Carolina and SFA programs that were roughly 26-5. Those programs though played significantly easier schedules than St Mary's trash schedule though. St Marys also beat a likely top 3-4 seed Gonzaga
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 9:19 am to GenesChin
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I honestly don't think a program like St Marys can schedule "better." For a team that's a very hard to beat you don't get much in return for beating them. They aren't a TV exposure opportunity, they aren't a signature resume win and they aren't viewed as a "quality loss" Not like they get invited to good OOC tournaments either
Yep - definitely agree.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:20 am to GenesChin
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MTSU only has 4 wins vs RPI Top 100
If MTSU loses before their championship game, I'd say they're on the bubble as well.
Rhode Island has a much better resume than St. Mary's. Rhode Island's RPI is 16, SOS is 59, and your favorite metric SOR is 33. St. Mary's RPI is 36, SOS is 181, and SOR is 49. Rhode Island has played a much harder schedule than St. Mary's.
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I see no reason why some P5 team should get in just because they have lost more games against decent opponents
They've also won more games against decent/good opponents.
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Not sure why St Marys every year gets shafted by the "SOS" argument while plenty of other midmajors don't get judged the same way.
Mid-major teams get shafted over strength of schedule every year, and if we're just talking about this season, St. Mary's has a far worse SOS than any other potential at-large midmajor.
All that said I think St. Mary's should be in, but it's a crap resume and they should be a 10 at best.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:37 am to TomRollTideRitter
Today we want Gonzaga to beat BYU, Pitt to beat Notre Dame, and Wake Forest to beat Syracuse,
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