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Posted on 2/18/18 at 5:59 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
On offense yes, he was as bad as it gets in D1 on offense.
But The amount of extra possessions he got us last year with his rebounding would be huge this year.
But The amount of extra possessions he got us last year with his rebounding would be huge this year.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:15 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Bola was terrible.
People give Giddens a hard time and he's twice the player that Bola was.
And as I said... "I feel like most fans that weren't hung up on his easy misses at the rim knew that." Obviously you were one of those fans hung up on the easy misses, but it's laughable to say that a player is terrible when he averages 16 rebounds per 40 minutes played. In similar minutes Bola averaged almost 4 more RPG while averaging just 1.6 less PPG than Giddens. Giddens has a great chance of being the better player, but for this season? Give me Bola any day of the week.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:34 pm to BigBird09
Yep - Bola had a skillset and be maximized it. He added value.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:37 pm to BigBird09
You guys are insane. Next you'll be telling me about the value that Ben Eblem's defense brought to the team. Bola was a huge liability on offense. It's not just being hung up on easy misses. It's the complete lack of any offensive skill. Other teams didn't have to guard him.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:45 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
This is a bad Bola take. His ability to get rebounds at an incredible rate far outweighed any and all offensive shortcomings.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:45 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Women beat Auburn today.
Now 17-10 (7-7) with a RPI of 81. 5-8 vs the Top 100. They've got Georgia at home and @ LSU to finish the regular season. Win those 2 and they might nudge their way into the conversation.
It took a while but they are finally a serious, competitive program again.
Now 17-10 (7-7) with a RPI of 81. 5-8 vs the Top 100. They've got Georgia at home and @ LSU to finish the regular season. Win those 2 and they might nudge their way into the conversation.
It took a while but they are finally a serious, competitive program again.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:59 pm to BigBird09
quote:The problem I see with this is that Bola was so bad offensively that the opponent could/would play off him and help out in the paint. With Giddens, you DO have a guy who can score inside with his back to the goal. He must be guarded. That'll help the other guys to score.
And as I said... "I feel like most fans that weren't hung up on his easy misses at the rim knew that." Obviously you were one of those fans hung up on the easy misses, but it's laughable to say that a player is terrible when he averages 16 rebounds per 40 minutes played. In similar minutes Bola averaged almost 4 more RPG while averaging just 1.6 less PPG than Giddens. Giddens has a great chance of being the better player, but for this season? Give me Bola any day of the week.
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:00 pm to BigBird09
I agree that Bola was useful, but I don't think just comparing his ppg with Giddens is fair to Giddens. SolomonGrundy is right that teams would pretty much just leave Bola unguarded. Giddens does at least demand attention on offense.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I agree that Bola was useful, but I don't think just comparing his ppg with Giddens is fair to Giddens. SolomonGrundy is right that teams would pretty much just leave Bola unguarded. Giddens does at least demand attention on offense.
I'm not arguing that. In fact, I just stood up for Giddens in the last page because he's an offensive threat, but Bola had almost 4 more RPG in ~15 mpg. You translate that into 30 mpg and that's 8 RPG more in starter minutes. That's an insane difference.
I'm not saying that we'd be so much better with Bola than Giddens, I'm arguing that Bola was not a "terrible" basketball player to have. Not in the least.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:28 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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You guys are insane. Next you'll be telling me about the value that Ben Eblem's defense brought to the team. Bola was a huge liability on offense. It's not just being hung up on easy misses. It's the complete lack of any offensive skill. Other teams didn't have to guard him.
Not sure how we're the insane ones. We were a terrible rebounding team for years, we add Bola and become one of the best rebounding teams in the nation. You can knock him all you want for his offense and I won't argue with you, but offense isn't the only important aspect in basketball.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:35 pm to BigBird09
Ok, but you've got to do more than rebound to be a good ball player.
Yall act like he was Dennis Rodman. He was one of the biggest offensive liabilities we've had in the last 15 years. Right up there with Eblem, Engstrom, and Moosa. It was like playing offense with 4.2 players on the court.
Yall act like he was Dennis Rodman. He was one of the biggest offensive liabilities we've had in the last 15 years. Right up there with Eblem, Engstrom, and Moosa. It was like playing offense with 4.2 players on the court.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:46 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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He was one of the biggest offensive liabilities we've had in the last 15 years. Right up there with Eblem, Engstrom, and Moosa.
Eblen* (sorry I let the first one slide) and Moussa*
Except Bola was one of the best rebounders in the country last year and probably the best offensive rebounder period. He had an elite skill. Not one of those other players could claim that. Bola was also a very solid defensive player. Literally the only thing he lacked was offense.
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Yall act like he was Dennis Rodman.
At the collegiate level... That's not a terrible comparison.
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It was like playing offense with 4.2 players on the court.
Except that .2 player gave the other 4 players several more attempts to score.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:52 pm to Bryant91092
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His ability to get rebounds at an incredible rate far outweighed any and all offensive shortcomings.
I don't think people realize just how good he was at getting rebounds. His OReb% of 21% in conf led the SEC and would be highest SEC rate in recent memory. For perspective, Vanderbilt as an entire team only got 22.9% OReb%. Donta right now is top 118 natl and is only at 11.5%
Bola may have been a bad scoring option, but he easily made up for it by giving 2nd Chance opportunities While limited the opponents. Also, no one is talking about how Bola lead the team w a steal % of 2.6% and was #18 in the SEC in stl%.
I'd take Giddens over Bola, but I'd take Bola over Smith/Reese for just this year.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:57 pm to BigBird09
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At the collegiate level... That's not a terrible comparison.
I believe the right answer is the state of Alabama's own big Ben WalLace
Just like Wallace, Bola was an elite rebounder and adept at steals/creating turnovers while being a comllete liability on offense (47% FG 41% FT
) Ben Wallace was arguably the most important part of those Pistons teams who have a championship + dominated early 00s.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:11 pm to GenesChin
Difference being that Wallace and Rodman were on good teams and Bola was on a shitty team.
Yall have just compared Bola to two NBA greats. I want some of what yall are smoking.
fricking Bola fan club in here. Yall are fricking ridiculous.
Yall have just compared Bola to two NBA greats. I want some of what yall are smoking.
fricking Bola fan club in here. Yall are fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:20 pm to GenesChin
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I believe the right answer is the state of Alabama's own big Ben WalLace
Just like Wallace, Bola was an elite rebounder and adept at steals/creating turnovers while being a comllete liability on offense (47% FG 41% FT ?)
Not a bad comparison either, but I'd say Rodman because Wallace was an elite shot-blocker.
When you actually compare Rodman (in Chicago) and Bola statistically, it's actually pretty dead on
Rodman (in Chicago): ~35 MPG, ~5.2 PPG, ~0.450 FG, ~15.3 RPG, ~.3 BPG, ~.6 SPG
Bola (translated into 35 MPG): 6.8 PPG, 0.513 FG, 14 RPG, 0 BPG, 1.5 SPG
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:24 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Yall have just compared Bola to two NBA greats. I want some of what yall are smoking.
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At the collegiate level
Reading comprehension is hard.
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fricking Bola fan club in here. Yall are fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:29 pm to BigBird09
Im not claiming to be a badass. I'm just pointing out the obvious that Bola was not a good player.
But I'm wondering why if Bola was the collegiate version of Rodman or Ben Wallace, where are all the accolades? Surely he would've been on the all conference team, player of the week, etc. He must still have a basketball career if he was that good. What's he doing now with all that amazing talent he had?
But I'm wondering why if Bola was the collegiate version of Rodman or Ben Wallace, where are all the accolades? Surely he would've been on the all conference team, player of the week, etc. He must still have a basketball career if he was that good. What's he doing now with all that amazing talent he had?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:39 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Im not claiming to be a badass. I'm just pointing out the obvious that Bola was not a good player.
And calling people who don't agree with you "fricking ridiculous".
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But I'm wondering why if Bola was the collegiate version of Rodman or Ben Wallace, where are all the accolades? Surely he would've been on the all conference team, player of the week, etc. He must still have a basketball career if he was that good. What's he doing now with all that amazing talent he had?
There's a huge difference between being a bad scorer and great rebounder at the college level and being the same at the NBA level. Hence, the caveat I added of it being a collegiate comparison
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