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re: Will Alabama struggle on offense next year?

Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:28 pm to
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I ultimately question his lower body strength at the line of scrimmage.


I agree. I also just think it's a body size and balance issue. There is a reason there aren't a bunch of 6'4 250 lb RBs over history and in the NFL. It's a lot easier to run if you are short and compact, a lot harder the longer your legs are.

He's still a good player, he was just kind of in a really bad situation with our OL and his skillset last season. At much as I hate the idea of running East West, a power East West game would be perfect for him. Which is what we did against Ohio State for 1.5 quarters and then just kind of abandoned.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:31 pm to
Good point about Yeldon against OM, but he is a beast when healthy. It still doesn't change the fact that it is hard to gain yards when you are getting hit in the back field.
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:32 pm to
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So did Yeldon for a time, still trade that for the explosive plays he brings


Yeldon fumbles the ball a lot but it's not anywhere near as bad as Drake's fumble problems. Yeldon has fumbled the ball 10 times in 622 touches. That's a fumble ratio of 1 out of 62.2 touches. Drake has fumbled the ball 6 times out of 173 touches. That's 1 fumble out of every 28.8 touches. If Drake was a starting RB, he would basically average close to 1 fumble PER game. That's completely unacceptable.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:32 pm to
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Good point about Yeldon against OM, but he is a beast when healthy. It still doesn't change the fact that it is hard to gain yards when you are getting hit in the back field.


Agree on Yeldon. As underrated a player at Alabama as there has been during the Saban era. I think he'll show that in the NFL too.

I agree, Henry definitely had the misfortune of running behind a sub-standard Alabama OL running game wise. I just think he has some issues that are just always going to be there and aren't even really his fault, they are just inherently part of being a tall RB. I do hope we find more ways to get him a head of steam next year. Knowing Kiffin I have to think we will.
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:33 pm to
The criticisms of Henry are valid, but he's still pretty effective. Nobody here would want to tackle him.

He should improve some after an off season as the lead back. I think some people are foolish to think he can't improve his running between the tackles. He's not a finished product.
Posted by TTsTowel
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:36 pm to
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Nobody here would want to tackle him.
Hell no, I sure wouldn't.

If he's got a full head of steam in the open field and running at me, I'm running to the sideline and hiding behind the Gatorade cooler so I can suck my thumb. If I meet him in the backfield, I'm grabbing his leg and holding on for dear life.
Posted by AlaTiger
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:36 pm to
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Now you see why Les Miles cannot beat Nick Saban. Shitty quarterbacks, one dimensional offense, runs up the middle, no threat on the edge, etc.



Yet, LSU would have beaten Alabama 2 out of the last 3 years if Chavis' Defense had been able to hold onto a lead.

For all of the talk about how Alabama has been "dominating" LSU, it is pretty incredible how close the games have been. Even the game in Tuscaloosa in 2013 was tied deep into the 3rd quarter. Then, the dam broke.

Of course, LSU gets up for Alabama like no other team, so the close games are not entirely representative of where the programs are right now, overall.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:37 pm to
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Yeldon fumbles the ball a lot but it's not anywhere near as bad as Drake's fumble problems. Yeldon has fumbled the ball 10 times in 622 touches. That's a fumble ratio of 1 out of 62.2 touches. Drake has fumbled the ball 6 times out of 173 touches. That's 1 fumble out of every 28.8 touches. If Drake was a starting RB, he would basically average close to 1 fumble PER game. That's completely unacceptable.





His sample size is so low compared to Yeldon and others you can't extrapolate it out like that. If he starts having fumble issues again early in 2015 then they'll have to deal with it and make a decision. But to not play him because he had 3 bad fumble games in 2013 is kind of silly.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:37 pm to
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He should improve some after an off season as the lead back. I think some people are foolish to think he can't improve his running between the tackles. He's not a finished product.



That is my hope, that it is something that can be improved upon and isn't just a body type thing that can't be changed.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:38 pm to
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Yet, LSU would have beaten Alabama 2 out of the last 3 years if Chavis' Defense had been able to hold onto a lead.

For all of the talk about how Alabama has been "dominating" LSU, it is pretty incredible how close the games have been. Even the game in Tuscaloosa in 2013 was tied deep into the 3rd quarter. Then, the dam broke.



Congrats, moral victory trophy for you
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:38 pm to
I can agree with that.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 2:40 pm to
The good news is we are having this discussion about 5-6 guys who will probably all play in the NFL, and aren't even talking about Bo Scarbrough or Damien Harris, led alone Flowers.

A looooooooooong way from the Aaron Johns/Ken Darby days.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 3:04 pm to
Henry is one of the best open field backs I've seen in years. He is frightening in the 2nd level.. if he gets there
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 3:06 pm to
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Henry is one of the best open field backs I've seen in years. He is frightening in the 2nd level.. if he gets there




Yep, agree on both counts. He's really really fast when he gets to that point.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted by DarrionFrmArk
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 3:47 pm to
Florida and MIZZOU have good defenses, but they also have poor QB play which hurts them alot. Florida had 11 total first downs and MIZZOU had 10. As for the Ohio State game, Bama offense struggled from the second quarter till the end. Bama scored a TD in the late 3rd quarter and at the end of the 4th quarter.

But the offense should be better this year..... As long as Lane doesn't forget about the running game (Which he did alot this year, most notably in the Sugar Bowl) they should be fine.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 3:52 pm to
If Henry gets 25 touches out of the pistol vs Ohio State we win the game. They did not stop him he just didn't get the ball and Cam Robinson was dominating that side. When we had the ball after pinning them back and threw that pick that changed everything.

Run Henry left in that series and Urban might have had more medical issues.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 3:53 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 3:54 pm to
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As long as Lane doesn't forget about the running game (Which he did alot this year, most notably in the Sugar Bowl) they should be fine.


The only game that I questioned Lane's treatment of the run game was Ohio State. The other games we just didn't run the ball real well because our O-line was mediocre.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 4:35 pm to
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Neither team should be beating their chest over that position. At least AU fired their DB Coach.

And Bama replaced theirs. Thank God.



I thought Saban and Smart coached the DBs?
Posted by Restomod
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 5:06 pm to
WILL.GO.UNDEFEATED
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 5:10 pm to
Smart is moving back to LBs and Cooper was hired to coach DBs
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