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re: Does anyone believe in Mac?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yep.
A wr playing qb and won games. I wouldve taken ANY QB in the nation after suffering through that. Mac took anyone who could throw a football and these idiots act like he had his choice of every QB in the nation
A wr playing qb and won games. I wouldve taken ANY QB in the nation after suffering through that. Mac took anyone who could throw a football and these idiots act like he had his choice of every QB in the nation
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:23 pm to dbuchanon
Didn't reply to Stidham for months as told by Stidham.
Kicked Grier to curb because he thought Del Rio was as good.
Recruited a HS back up Qb.
He is an idiot with Qbs.
No one but Mac to blame for the failures.
No one.
Kicked Grier to curb because he thought Del Rio was as good.
Recruited a HS back up Qb.
He is an idiot with Qbs.
No one but Mac to blame for the failures.
No one.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:26 pm to atlgator
You broke it down by saying exactly what I said.
2014-2015 first class
2015-2016 second class
2016-2017 third class
2017-2018 current
This is his fourth class.
Straw said his second class has an elite Qb.
Pretty simple. Its his fourth class, third full.
No excuse to not have a Qb yet after three classes.
2014-2015 first class
2015-2016 second class
2016-2017 third class
2017-2018 current
This is his fourth class.
Straw said his second class has an elite Qb.
Pretty simple. Its his fourth class, third full.
No excuse to not have a Qb yet after three classes.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:28 pm to atlgator
Like I said. You suck at math. Add in his current class is probably getting worse, not better.
After losing to Georgia, I doubt all stay. No reason to come play for a broken offense.
After losing to Georgia, I doubt all stay. No reason to come play for a broken offense.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:33 pm to atlgator
I agree his first signing day was great, but two years of average classes not to UF standards is his fault.
Not getting a good Qb is his fault.
Not having Lber depth is his fault
Poor recruiting at Safety is his fault.
He has way to many three stars and that doesn't win in the SEC vs big boys. Yes a few gems, but most are average players. He has yet to recruit a five star player that wasnt helped by Muschamp. That is astonishing.
Not getting a good Qb is his fault.
Not having Lber depth is his fault
Poor recruiting at Safety is his fault.
He has way to many three stars and that doesn't win in the SEC vs big boys. Yes a few gems, but most are average players. He has yet to recruit a five star player that wasnt helped by Muschamp. That is astonishing.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:37 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Straw said his second class has an elite Qb.
Franks was a 4* QB.
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No excuse to not have a Qb yet after three classes.
He has one. And another top rated one on the way. So thats 2 top QBs in his 3rd full recruiting cycle
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:45 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Pretty simple. Its his fourth class, third full.
Signing day is not here and past yet. How is it a full class to this point?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:48 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Like I said. You suck at math. Add in his current class is probably getting worse, not better.
This class will be his third straight year of improved class rankings from the previous year. You're hoping that it gets worse, when in reality, considering the guys were likely or expected to land, our class will more than likely finish in the top 5.
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After losing to Georgia, I doubt all stay. No reason to come play for a broken offense
Now you've outed exactly what it is that you're rooting for
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:49 pm to Gatorbait2008
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You broke it down by saying exactly what I said.
2014-2015 first class
2015-2016 second class
2016-2017 third class
2017-2018 current
This is his fourth class.
Straw said his second class has an elite Qb.
Pretty simple. Its his fourth class, third full.
No excuse to not have a Qb yet after three classes.
You're fricking retarded, and I hate fricking debating with some of you because you don't READ and can't even do basic math.
2014 - 2015 is MUSCHAMP'S CLASS. He recruited for ten months, McElwain for 1 1/2 because there's a fricking dead period.
2015 - 2016 is his first full class.
2016 - 2017 is his second full class.
2017 - 2018 will be his third.
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Straw said his second class has an elite Qb.
I SAID IT TOOK HIM TWO YEARS, YOU MOUTHBREATHING PLEB.
He's only fricking been here for two and a half years.
frick, man, I have to give this a break because you guys can't even do simple math.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Landed the 4th rated pro QB in his first full cycle. Currently has the 2nd rated pro QB in his 3rd
Yeah, cant recruit QBs
Yeah, cant recruit QBs
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:04 pm to dbuchanon
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Landed the 4th rated pro QB in his first full cycle. Currently has the 2nd rated pro QB in his 3rd
Yeah, cant recruit QBs
And considering how bad QBs have been the past 8 years it's a wonder he got anyone to come play here.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yes. But that isn't Macs fault of course.
Running off Grier, thinking Del Rio was just as good.
Not recruiting a QB that was ready to go. Franks was a work in progress. Del Rio is garbage. He can control the offense but has a weak arm, makes bad decisions(see interception issue), and is not a QB who can win games vs good teams.
So why does he get excuses? He had two full classes, finished off a third. It's now his fourth year recruiting and all of UF's hopes rest on a kid not yet signed. WHy? Because Mac is too cocky. He kicked out Grier, that is his fault. He keeps bringing in crappy transfers to mend the issue HE CREATED by not letting Grier, who was obviously the best QB, get his starting role back. Del Rio vs Grier isn't even a competition. It's a joke. Harris vs Grier was a joke.
Let's get further.
His blue chip ratio is the lowest at UF in rivals history. Notice you failed to defend his three star recruiting? It's absolutely unacceptable. NO FIVE STARS. NONE. This next class has one in Corral on some sites, though I use 24/7 I think they are the most detailed group at this point. His defensive recruiting has been the worst I've seen at UF. It's once again to many hidden gems. Do some work? Yes. But most will be average. See our entire LB core. All average. The only safety on the team worth anything is still Muschamps. His DT recruiting has been blah. DE he has done a great job and CB. On offense he still hasn't gotten a TE that can catch and block well enough to run his scheme. He used to utilize TE's constantly at Bama, now we don't even know they exist. His WR recruiting is the one position he has been abosolutely great at. RB has been good, Davis a clear Gem but it's kind of 1 for 4 there with the others being pretty run of the mill.
End of the day this isn't good enough. You can't win the SEC only hitting on a few groups of players. You can't win the SEC with a 38 percent blue chip ratio(has never happened since blue chips were a thing), and you can't keep making excuses as though Mac has no blame on them.. Muschamp left gaps he had to fill, which is why I gave leeway on the Oline for two years. It's year three. They should be significantly better than they are with as much experience as they have.
So he has done very well at - WR, DE,kicker, and CB
Decent at RB
Average at OLine
Poorly at LB and TE
Worst I can remember at Safety
That's too many areas he hasn't done well enough at. Muschamp sucked at developing offensive talent, but he was pretty well rounded outside of offensive line.
Muschamp got Brissett(not Meyer), helped retain Driskel, got Grier.
That's three QB's that will play on Sunday that Muschamp got.
Yet Mac has got an underdeveloped QB, annnnddd that's about it.
So is the real question....is Muschamp a better QB recruiter than Mac? Or just way better at spotting talent at the position. I mean Grier is undoubtedly a first round pick. Brissett is going to be in the NFL for a long time. Yet Mac has taken three classes, two full to get Franks. A guy who has arm talent but not good at his system(you know the complicated system it takes a pro type QB to run to progress reads). Franks was a reach of desperation. Franks doesn't fit what Mac and NUss need in a QB. A guy who can progress reads quickly and spot defensive weaknesses.
Our biggest issue, however, is our system. It's too complex. Simplicity is better in CFB. One read, then a back up option is all Franks should be doing. Have his main target, if not there an immediate checkdown that should be open by play design. Oregon ran it for years. If he can't do this, then use Toney. One read, then run. It would actually work very well. The issue is Mac has zero ability to adapt. He struggles to figure out his teams identity based on the talent he has on the field. He is trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
The reality is, Mac is not suited for Florida. He isn't a bad coach, he just isn't going to work here. He needs to be at a smaller school, or somewhere like Nebraska where three star gems make up the roster. Florida needs a fast offensive system, that utliizes play makers over QB decision making. Tebow really didn't have to think in Mullen's system. The reads were simple, and play designs optimized getting the ball in a playmakers hand or Tebow keeping if the option wasn't there.
I want Mac gone for the simple fact that I just don't see the Alabama offense being effective here. It's just not our style. Florida has speed. We don't have Julio Jones type players, we have Percy Harvin types. We need that taken advantage of by the scheme. Which is why I am SOOOOOO damn high on Leach. God that would be amazing.
Running off Grier, thinking Del Rio was just as good.
Not recruiting a QB that was ready to go. Franks was a work in progress. Del Rio is garbage. He can control the offense but has a weak arm, makes bad decisions(see interception issue), and is not a QB who can win games vs good teams.
So why does he get excuses? He had two full classes, finished off a third. It's now his fourth year recruiting and all of UF's hopes rest on a kid not yet signed. WHy? Because Mac is too cocky. He kicked out Grier, that is his fault. He keeps bringing in crappy transfers to mend the issue HE CREATED by not letting Grier, who was obviously the best QB, get his starting role back. Del Rio vs Grier isn't even a competition. It's a joke. Harris vs Grier was a joke.
Let's get further.
His blue chip ratio is the lowest at UF in rivals history. Notice you failed to defend his three star recruiting? It's absolutely unacceptable. NO FIVE STARS. NONE. This next class has one in Corral on some sites, though I use 24/7 I think they are the most detailed group at this point. His defensive recruiting has been the worst I've seen at UF. It's once again to many hidden gems. Do some work? Yes. But most will be average. See our entire LB core. All average. The only safety on the team worth anything is still Muschamps. His DT recruiting has been blah. DE he has done a great job and CB. On offense he still hasn't gotten a TE that can catch and block well enough to run his scheme. He used to utilize TE's constantly at Bama, now we don't even know they exist. His WR recruiting is the one position he has been abosolutely great at. RB has been good, Davis a clear Gem but it's kind of 1 for 4 there with the others being pretty run of the mill.
End of the day this isn't good enough. You can't win the SEC only hitting on a few groups of players. You can't win the SEC with a 38 percent blue chip ratio(has never happened since blue chips were a thing), and you can't keep making excuses as though Mac has no blame on them.. Muschamp left gaps he had to fill, which is why I gave leeway on the Oline for two years. It's year three. They should be significantly better than they are with as much experience as they have.
So he has done very well at - WR, DE,kicker, and CB
Decent at RB
Average at OLine
Poorly at LB and TE
Worst I can remember at Safety
That's too many areas he hasn't done well enough at. Muschamp sucked at developing offensive talent, but he was pretty well rounded outside of offensive line.
Muschamp got Brissett(not Meyer), helped retain Driskel, got Grier.
That's three QB's that will play on Sunday that Muschamp got.
Yet Mac has got an underdeveloped QB, annnnddd that's about it.
So is the real question....is Muschamp a better QB recruiter than Mac? Or just way better at spotting talent at the position. I mean Grier is undoubtedly a first round pick. Brissett is going to be in the NFL for a long time. Yet Mac has taken three classes, two full to get Franks. A guy who has arm talent but not good at his system(you know the complicated system it takes a pro type QB to run to progress reads). Franks was a reach of desperation. Franks doesn't fit what Mac and NUss need in a QB. A guy who can progress reads quickly and spot defensive weaknesses.
Our biggest issue, however, is our system. It's too complex. Simplicity is better in CFB. One read, then a back up option is all Franks should be doing. Have his main target, if not there an immediate checkdown that should be open by play design. Oregon ran it for years. If he can't do this, then use Toney. One read, then run. It would actually work very well. The issue is Mac has zero ability to adapt. He struggles to figure out his teams identity based on the talent he has on the field. He is trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
The reality is, Mac is not suited for Florida. He isn't a bad coach, he just isn't going to work here. He needs to be at a smaller school, or somewhere like Nebraska where three star gems make up the roster. Florida needs a fast offensive system, that utliizes play makers over QB decision making. Tebow really didn't have to think in Mullen's system. The reads were simple, and play designs optimized getting the ball in a playmakers hand or Tebow keeping if the option wasn't there.
I want Mac gone for the simple fact that I just don't see the Alabama offense being effective here. It's just not our style. Florida has speed. We don't have Julio Jones type players, we have Percy Harvin types. We need that taken advantage of by the scheme. Which is why I am SOOOOOO damn high on Leach. God that would be amazing.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:36 pm to atlgator
So we are now giving him an award for his first two full classes being below our standard?
That is absolutely amazing. So we should celebrate the fact that it took a coach three years to finally recruit a class that is up to the standard of the other coaches UF has had?
That is mind boggling you think that is a strong talking point. We should credit him for poor recruiting, because it is finally where it should have been two years ago?
shite took Mark Richt one year and already doing it.
Took Smart one year to already be better.
Took Meyer one year to get the best UF class maybe in history.
Zook's first full class had how many five stars again?
You can't claim it a GOOD thing that his first two classes were sub-par as some reason to promote him as a coach. He improved from being the worst recruiter since SPurriers last two years, to finally catching up. Why should those first two full years be excuses? Had to get his feet wet? Didn't know how to recruit? Didn't realize recruiting was important? Or just doesn't know how to get elite talent? Which excuse does he get for his first two classes? Or is it suddenly hard to recruit at UF? He must be a masterful man getting the 8th ranked class at this crappy program. What a great effort! This recruiting class looks good, but will it hold? YOu do realize players leave classes, correct. It would be amazing to get a top five class finally under him. If it finishes top five, I see signs of hope. But nothing will change his in game coaching and poor game planning sadly. He has to adjust himself and really self evaluate what his plan is, and fast. The fan base is going against him. Go see 24/7, 90 percent want him gone it seems. With two of the next three being very losable, that is a bad sign. Remember Muschamp had an amazing class with Cook before 4-8, that can easily happen to this class unless Florida wakes up and beats Georgia.
That is absolutely amazing. So we should celebrate the fact that it took a coach three years to finally recruit a class that is up to the standard of the other coaches UF has had?
That is mind boggling you think that is a strong talking point. We should credit him for poor recruiting, because it is finally where it should have been two years ago?
shite took Mark Richt one year and already doing it.
Took Smart one year to already be better.
Took Meyer one year to get the best UF class maybe in history.
Zook's first full class had how many five stars again?
You can't claim it a GOOD thing that his first two classes were sub-par as some reason to promote him as a coach. He improved from being the worst recruiter since SPurriers last two years, to finally catching up. Why should those first two full years be excuses? Had to get his feet wet? Didn't know how to recruit? Didn't realize recruiting was important? Or just doesn't know how to get elite talent? Which excuse does he get for his first two classes? Or is it suddenly hard to recruit at UF? He must be a masterful man getting the 8th ranked class at this crappy program. What a great effort! This recruiting class looks good, but will it hold? YOu do realize players leave classes, correct. It would be amazing to get a top five class finally under him. If it finishes top five, I see signs of hope. But nothing will change his in game coaching and poor game planning sadly. He has to adjust himself and really self evaluate what his plan is, and fast. The fan base is going against him. Go see 24/7, 90 percent want him gone it seems. With two of the next three being very losable, that is a bad sign. Remember Muschamp had an amazing class with Cook before 4-8, that can easily happen to this class unless Florida wakes up and beats Georgia.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:44 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Running off Grier
See, no one can talk sense into you. Any coach would run Grier off. He got suspended for an entire year for taking a banned substance. I'm not even going to address the rest, because you actually think another coach would have handled it differently.
If Grier popped again, we're fricked at quarterback not just Grier's last year, but this year, too, because no one would commit to our crew behind Grier, knowing they wouldn't play.
Grier fricked himself, period.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:47 pm to Gatorbait2008
I’m going to give you some certifiable Reel type responses. Here it goes...
Proven head coach recruiting in south Florida. Of course he’s going to do well. Plus it’s his alma mater. It’s easy for him to find recruits to play for him.
He’s riding the coat tails of nick Saban. It won’t be long before he fizzles out.
You can’t compare Mac to Meyer. He’s saban’s equal.
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shite took Mark Richt one year and already doing it
Proven head coach recruiting in south Florida. Of course he’s going to do well. Plus it’s his alma mater. It’s easy for him to find recruits to play for him.
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Took Smart one year to already be better.
He’s riding the coat tails of nick Saban. It won’t be long before he fizzles out.
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Took Meyer one year to get the best UF class maybe in history.
You can’t compare Mac to Meyer. He’s saban’s equal.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You won't address the rest because you can't actually respond to it. End of the day, your arguments are destroyed because everyone else sees the truth. Go see the post on the SECrant. Notice everyone can see Mac is the problem? No coach kicks out a future first round QB when he has no back ups that are legit, unless a really, really, really arrogant man who thinks he can win with his dog at QB.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:56 pm to finchmeister08
Zook came from five years in the pros and recruited six five stars in his first full class.
Meyer as stated above.
Muschamp took one full class to have a top ten class. Yet takes Mac three full cycles to get there.
So Smart can ride Saban's coat tail, but Mac can't? So basically, Smart is a better recruiter. Agreed?
I don't expect Mac to be Meyer, I just expect an "offensive genius" to actually be good as an offensive coach. Which well...he isn't. See passing touchdowns, third down conversions, yards per game, ppg, etc. He hasn't produced a single great offensive stat besides red zone efficiency this season. I expect a coach at UF to recruit top ten yearly. It's not unfair, we have done it for 20 years through four coaches. Seems like it's not all that hard.
Let me guess though, it's still Muschamps fault?
Meyer as stated above.
Muschamp took one full class to have a top ten class. Yet takes Mac three full cycles to get there.
So Smart can ride Saban's coat tail, but Mac can't? So basically, Smart is a better recruiter. Agreed?
I don't expect Mac to be Meyer, I just expect an "offensive genius" to actually be good as an offensive coach. Which well...he isn't. See passing touchdowns, third down conversions, yards per game, ppg, etc. He hasn't produced a single great offensive stat besides red zone efficiency this season. I expect a coach at UF to recruit top ten yearly. It's not unfair, we have done it for 20 years through four coaches. Seems like it's not all that hard.
Let me guess though, it's still Muschamps fault?
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:58 pm to Gatorbait2008
From An outsiders perspective, I believe that a coach is responsible for the kids he signs. "Franks was a 4 star" doesn't excuse him not being ready. Mac evaluated him, recruited him, signed him. His development is Macs responsibility.
Georgia went through the same thing with bad QB evaluation and it cost Richt his job. Talent evaluation is part of coaching. If you don't have an abundance of talent at a place like Florida, that's an indictment on your ability as a head coach and leader of a program.
Georgia went through the same thing with bad QB evaluation and it cost Richt his job. Talent evaluation is part of coaching. If you don't have an abundance of talent at a place like Florida, that's an indictment on your ability as a head coach and leader of a program.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 4:02 pm to Gatorbait2008
I think Kirby has the advantage is because he directly left Saban for Georgia. Anybody who’s followed Bama knows who Kirby is. Mac was just a blip in that dynasty. He hasn’t been associated with Saban since 2010ish. Muschamp on the other hand is probably more well known for his time with Auburn and Texas than his time with Saban at LSU and Miami.
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