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re: Does anyone believe in Mac?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:09 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:09 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Franks wasnt a five star.
You lack intelligence to the highest degree. Corral is in the class that is his fourth class at UF.
Dumb arse.
You lack intelligence to the highest degree. Corral is in the class that is his fourth class at UF.
Dumb arse.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:33 am to dbuchanon
No it's out of choice. Davis Webb was a transfer. Towles, Knight, etc. Mac chose to bring these guys in. Even if it's out of desperation its another strike because it shows that Mac can't recruit the position or get his QBs ready.
Franks
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This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:39 am to Gatorbait2008
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How? Its his fourth class what do you mean how? Bad at basic math?
2014 - first class
2015- second class
2016- third class
2017- fourth class
Its his fourth class.
So how you got two.,.is...well shows all we need to know about you.
Okay, let me break it down nice and slow for you. Mac was hired in December 2014. National Signing Day in 2014 was in February. So he wasn't hired for that class. National Signing Day for 2015 was in February 2015. That means Mac had two months to put together a class. He inherited a class from Muschamp that had 4 players in it and ranked 106th in the nation 2 months before signing day. He managed to salvage a 20th ranked recruiting class in the class of 2015. That was his first class, but it wasn't put together with much time to evaluate guys and build relationships.
2016 was his first full recruiting class. It ranked 12th in the nation.
2017 was his second full recruiting class. It ranked 9th in the nation.
2018 is currently his third full recruiting class. It has not concluded yet. It is currently ranked 8th in the nation, but it is expected to be a top 5 class.
2019 will be his fourth full recruiting class. It is currently ranked first in the nation.
Do you see the trajectory? You were only two full recruiting cycles off from being right. Better luck being an a-hole next time.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:40 am to TJGator1215
Cant recruit the position?
Flippped a 4* QB from LSU
Currently has a committment from a top QB
You are an idiot.
Flippped a 4* QB from LSU
Currently has a committment from a top QB
You are an idiot.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:41 am to TJGator1215
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Even if it's out of desperation its another strike because it shows that Mac can't recruit the position or get his QBs ready.
I agree to a point. I think that the QBs he's had that we're supposed to be starters since he's been here- first Grier then LDR, have been successful. Really successful. 13-1.
It's the desperation guys that have struggled to a 9-10 record.
Look what Jimbo Fisher has done when his starting quarterback gets knocked out for the season. 2-3 record and an offense ranked lower than Florida's.
Saying Mac can't recruit QBs is silly especially when he has the #2 QB in America committed and Franks was the #3 QB in America (albeit based on his size and arm strength because it was known he was a project) when he signed
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 6:43 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:44 am to atlgator
Dont talk about his daddy like that lol
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:11 am to dbuchanon
The only coach on staff worth a damn is Randy Shannon.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:25 am to OliverQueen81
That RB coach is pretty good last i heard.
Secondary coach is doing pretty well with mostly freshman
Our oline arent blocking each other so thats an improvement
Secondary coach is doing pretty well with mostly freshman
Our oline arent blocking each other so thats an improvement
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:17 am to OliverQueen81
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The only coach on staff worth a damn is Randy Shannon.
Wouldn't go that far, the hires Mac made last offseason brought a lot of value to the staff, especially on the recruiting front. If Mac had gone the one step further and cut out the rest of the dead weight, we'd probably be having happier discussions right now.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:23 am to bgator85
Rumph is doing a great job with the defensive line.
Bell is doing a great job with the DB's, the young guys are progressing exactly how they should be.
Randy Shannon is doing good imo. I do think that the defense is a little too basic at times. I'd like to see some more blitzes and stunts, but I think we've seen the defense progress very well.
I think Brad Davis has done great with the OL so far, they've progressed a ton. Jujuan Seider might be the best position coach on the staff.
Kerry Dixon has been a good recruiter and he isn't losing his job, but I'm not crazy about how the wide receivers have looked at times. Partially because of the QB play and partially because of injuries. We'll see how they continue to progress going forward.
There's zero reason to bring Nord back and even less reason to bring Nuss back. We have not seen progression and we have not seen development. We could greatly improve the staff as a whole with upgrades here.
Bell is doing a great job with the DB's, the young guys are progressing exactly how they should be.
Randy Shannon is doing good imo. I do think that the defense is a little too basic at times. I'd like to see some more blitzes and stunts, but I think we've seen the defense progress very well.
I think Brad Davis has done great with the OL so far, they've progressed a ton. Jujuan Seider might be the best position coach on the staff.
Kerry Dixon has been a good recruiter and he isn't losing his job, but I'm not crazy about how the wide receivers have looked at times. Partially because of the QB play and partially because of injuries. We'll see how they continue to progress going forward.
There's zero reason to bring Nord back and even less reason to bring Nuss back. We have not seen progression and we have not seen development. We could greatly improve the staff as a whole with upgrades here.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:52 am to atlgator
Atl, I agree the defense has been a little basic, but I do understand why. With young LBs with less than a years experience (last 4 games in 2016 and six now), plus a secondary straight out of high school...its problematic to leave them alone back there. Next year you can expect more blitzs and exotic looks. The only thing we do much of is stunt the DL to get to the QB and truthfully we have put quite a bit of pressure on QBs with four DL.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:11 am to dbuchanon
So does Muschamp gets credit for Macs first recruiting class he signed ? I am trying to figure out this recruiting thing. Before talking to you Mac supporters I thought players were on the roster when they have signed their LOI with the team . But it's once they show any interest in the team ? How many guys can we have on the roster ? I thought it was 85. Why is Mac not playing Corral ? Could it be that he is not on the roster ? But that would show that you full of crap so I am sure there is another reason. Please fill us in on this recruiting because all the recruiting sites are showing Commit as just that and not players on the roster . They are also showing the first class to sign under Mac as being his class and recruiting and signed by his staff.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:33 am to tjv305
Wait, what?
The whole issue with the 2015 class is that relative to what the class was ranked when Mac took the job 2 months before signing day, he did a really good job of salvaging a class that wasn't catastrophic to the program. He recruited decent in 2016 and 2017, 12th and 9th respectively. Not what UF is used to, but it's not like the class was ranked 40th or something.
I can't speak for others, but that's my whole point.
The whole issue with the 2015 class is that relative to what the class was ranked when Mac took the job 2 months before signing day, he did a really good job of salvaging a class that wasn't catastrophic to the program. He recruited decent in 2016 and 2017, 12th and 9th respectively. Not what UF is used to, but it's not like the class was ranked 40th or something.
I can't speak for others, but that's my whole point.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:42 am to dbuchanon
So Mac can't recruit capable recruits out of high school so he is desperate and takes any transfers he can get ?
Treon was horrible. The staff should changed the offense some to give the offense a chance with him.
FSUs offense likely ranks pretty low this year but they have been good most years . There is difference in have a bad year every 3-4 years then to be bad every year.
In the last 2 games we have missed the top 3 WRs but Cleveland and Toney were here earlier in the year and the game results were not that much of s difference again easier teams. Having Cleveland and Toney out definitely hurts the offense because those 2 guys make plays on there own. The staff should have called more plays to help Franks like The bootleg we gained a first down on 3rd and long and the jet Sweep that Massey scored on . We need more of those plays to keep the defense thinking and give us an edge on offense. We shouldn't need stars to make plays . Our coaching staff needs to get the rest of the players in better position to make plays . The bootleg could give Franks less check downs and he could even run for the first down,
Treon was horrible. The staff should changed the offense some to give the offense a chance with him.
FSUs offense likely ranks pretty low this year but they have been good most years . There is difference in have a bad year every 3-4 years then to be bad every year.
In the last 2 games we have missed the top 3 WRs but Cleveland and Toney were here earlier in the year and the game results were not that much of s difference again easier teams. Having Cleveland and Toney out definitely hurts the offense because those 2 guys make plays on there own. The staff should have called more plays to help Franks like The bootleg we gained a first down on 3rd and long and the jet Sweep that Massey scored on . We need more of those plays to keep the defense thinking and give us an edge on offense. We shouldn't need stars to make plays . Our coaching staff needs to get the rest of the players in better position to make plays . The bootleg could give Franks less check downs and he could even run for the first down,
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:56 am to Gatorbait2008
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2014 - first class
He got here in December of 2014, to say that's his first class is retarded.
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2015- second class
His first FULL class, moron.
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2016- third class
Second FULL class.
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2017- fourth class
He hasn't finished out this class.
Which is why I said 2.5/2.8, depending on what metric you're using.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:01 pm to tjv305
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So Mac can't recruit capable recruits out of high school so he is desperate and takes any transfers he can get ?
In 2016, you betchya.
Grier gets popped for PEDs, offense looks bad another year -- not many quarterbacks want to come to a school with an untested product that's been struggling on offense.
He had to take what he could get. Franks was what he could get.
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FSUs offense likely ranks pretty low this year but they have been good most years . There is difference in have a bad year every 3-4 years then to be bad every year.
He's had seven years to manage his roster, McElwain has had two and a half and the coach before him severely mismanaged the roster. Jimbo managed his own roster for the past 7 years.
For me, it's almost inexcusable that a team like Florida State recruiting at the level they do should have a ''down'' year on offense.
Not to mention FSU has 5 players out for their season -- we have 14. They have WAY less of an excuse for a shitshow offense (scoring less than ours) than we do.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
If it's a lie show me where you actually said that you believe in Mac in this thread. The thread is about if anyone believes in Mac and you have not said it till now that I have seen. I will give you that as a lie on my part if you show me where you said it in here . If your then it's a lie on .
It's funny that you ignore the questions again and try to deflect you would be a great politician.
So what does Mac need to do next year to keep his job ? What do you expect our record to be ?
Mac hasn't gotten Carrol yet . If he has then he needs to put him on the field and give him a. Shot at the starting job. So another lie by you . This seems to be a normal thing for you. If Carrol doesn't sign the LOI with UF then it's a bold lie .
Well if you sign the guys on the team then yes it's your class. Muschamp too part of his class to Auburn. So this is another lie by you. This was a Macs first class that he signed .
So who was our head coach for the 4 months after Muschamps last season? Who was the head coach when those players signed their LOI? Franks was in his first class of a full year of recruiting but his second class at UF. Did you not say Franks should be benched for Zaire ?
Muschamp has Brissett who is starting in the NFL and Driskell .
Mac has Franks who has tons of talent he just needs coaching or he is just dumb.
Ok we agree that the players on offense are better but the actual play of the offense is not . So do you really feel like the players are better ? If you do then coaching has to be the issue .
So who forced Mac to take on the transfers ? If Mac took them willingly then by choose then they are his guys. Seems like another lie by you But maybe you know who forc d him to take those players then it's a lie by me .
So Jimbos offense is worst this year then Macs . How do they compare in the other 2 years ? Prolly not good.
What do you mean if Corral comes on campus? Is he not on the roster ?
Meyer recruited thugs and that's why his player were in trouble a lot . The good thing about it was that he had a lot of good players so it didn't hurt so much. So when our players keep getting in trouble it's not Macs fault ? If we have a lot of players suspended again next year you will cry and use it as an excuse again.
It's funny that you ignore the questions again and try to deflect you would be a great politician.
So what does Mac need to do next year to keep his job ? What do you expect our record to be ?
Mac hasn't gotten Carrol yet . If he has then he needs to put him on the field and give him a. Shot at the starting job. So another lie by you . This seems to be a normal thing for you. If Carrol doesn't sign the LOI with UF then it's a bold lie .
Well if you sign the guys on the team then yes it's your class. Muschamp too part of his class to Auburn. So this is another lie by you. This was a Macs first class that he signed .
So who was our head coach for the 4 months after Muschamps last season? Who was the head coach when those players signed their LOI? Franks was in his first class of a full year of recruiting but his second class at UF. Did you not say Franks should be benched for Zaire ?
Muschamp has Brissett who is starting in the NFL and Driskell .
Mac has Franks who has tons of talent he just needs coaching or he is just dumb.
Ok we agree that the players on offense are better but the actual play of the offense is not . So do you really feel like the players are better ? If you do then coaching has to be the issue .
So who forced Mac to take on the transfers ? If Mac took them willingly then by choose then they are his guys. Seems like another lie by you But maybe you know who forc d him to take those players then it's a lie by me .
So Jimbos offense is worst this year then Macs . How do they compare in the other 2 years ? Prolly not good.
What do you mean if Corral comes on campus? Is he not on the roster ?
Meyer recruited thugs and that's why his player were in trouble a lot . The good thing about it was that he had a lot of good players so it didn't hurt so much. So when our players keep getting in trouble it's not Macs fault ? If we have a lot of players suspended again next year you will cry and use it as an excuse again.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:39 pm to tjv305
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If it's a lie show me where you actually said that you believe in Mac in this thread.
It's kind of pointless that I would have to confess to this when all I do is defend him on the forum.
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So what does Mac need to do next year to keep his job ? What do you expect our record to be ?
It all depends on how we develop the quarterback, if he's ready or not. Franks is raw ore that needs to be refined, and if Corral is a bust I might as well hang myself here in my dojo.
I would personally be very disappointed if we didn't get ten wins next season. It's the easiest schedule we've had in a long time.
If he loses four or more I'd want a change.
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Well if you sign the guys on the team then yes it's your class. Muschamp too part of his class to Auburn. So this is another lie by you. This was a Macs first class that he signed .
That's just patently unfair to say that it's McElwain's first full class when he literally only recruited for a single month. No sane person would say ''it's his class'', that red meat that Meyer threw out is just that.
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So who forced Mac to take on the transfers ?
Muschamp, for not managing his fricking quarterbacks.
He destroyed Driskel -- who would have lit it up under McElwain's offense with those weapons.
He had Harris behind Driskel, Grier got popped for PEDs.
If Muschamp had left McElwain with a team that wasn't already mentally destroyed, McElwain would have been able to hit the ground running instead of having to bring in three different quarterbacks from different colleges.
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So do you really feel like the players are better ?
Absolutely, they're just younger. This is the youngest offense we've had in a while.
Not one senior on offense outside of Goolsby and Powell (who are being outperformed by lower classmen). Underclassmen at every skill position.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:50 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
These guys must have mentally blocked out our games with Treon as our QB.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:53 pm to dbuchanon
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These guys must have mentally blocked out our games with Treon as our QB.
It's still shocking that we won 10 games with fricking Treon, no kicker and no offensive line, man.
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