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RB10, new charges to be filled November 1 - lol

I wouldn't want to foreclose his opportunities to go to MSU forever, but similar situations guys like DJ Pettway had to do a year or two or penance at a JUCO and stay completely out of trouble to be allowed back on campus. Many players offered such opportunities fail to meet the criteria for return.

What would MSU do to a student who sends that video in along with their resume and ACT score?

For JS,mMSU just says "sure psycho, come on in, try not to rage beat a freshman"

Man would I love the case against the school if something happens on campus

I only skimmed the Saunder's portion of the NOA and response since OM agrees to every allegation made against him and and school on the issue. But, it is all framed as OM had no clue he did that and it was totally rogue. Saunder's was getting "his guys" in and providing "his recruits" benefits. That it was self serving and done behind the head coach's and admin's back. At least that's the party line. The NCAA doesn't dispute it but it's terrible timing for OM given the other level 1 offenses. For just Saunder's they'd get maybe 1/3 of what ULL got. It makes it more likely stuff that Harris did and Kiffin did are classified higher since OM won't get the benefit of the doubt some schools have gotten when stuff was self reported and deemed not worthy of punishment (think Bama and suit gate)

I am 100% sure if the suit thing happened in 2006 and was ferreted out by the NCAA instead of through a memo from Bama it would have resulted in a NOA and another post season ban.

The NCAA got in trouble (internally) before for trying to use civil depositions for rules enforcement. I don't expect that they are purposely trying to go down that road ever again. That being said if they are informed that he has testified under oath in a way that is substantially different from his statements to the NCAA I expect he'd see a 10.1 violation (think Tressell) immediately regardless of where the Ole Miss situation is in the process. Unless he just spills all the beans (his lawyers, yes plural, dude makes $4 mil a year for a $250 million entity, he will have a team of suits and they will try to object to 95% of the questions anyway so he won't even have the chance in a first depo). Freeze could be effected personally,many it's embarrassing to him and the school but even if he drew a map of where money came from in that depo I don't think the NCAA would use it unless they already had the info. They treat that stuff like an "illegal search" in criminal law

How big are each of Ole Miss's graduating classes coming NCAA isn't a fan of penalties that don't really matter. It was one of the reasons I thought Bama's penalties were raised in 2003. We took away 7 in year one, but had a small graduating class and we could survive signing 18. We proposed 21 in year 2-3. NCAA made it a 3 year 18 cap which led to come crazy small SR classes 4-5 years later in the final Shula years and first Saban years

Recruiting while on probation does suck. Bama fans can attest. The negative recruiting is epic.

"I hear school X is being investigated again"

"I heard from a another coach that the head coach is looking at other jobs now"

"I heard assistant coach X is having his contract review by the Board of a Trustees and definitely won't be at that school your freshman year"

It's theoretically possible that 3 coaches get show causes out of this. Probably not Nix or Kiffin's, but Harris is done unless the NCAA reclassified all his allegations. OM admits he's guilty, they just support him as being sloppy and lazy instead of being in business with boosters to recruit.

I've never seen a coach service those kinds of allegations. And the NCAA determines the facts IN the NOA. The response is more about punishment.

That's where OM is screwed on failure to monitor. I can't see the NCAA thank OM for their response and say "wow we we so wrong, let's pull the Tunsil violation." I think they have a better chance of saving Harris, and that's still a bad chance.

However, overall there is nothing to say OM HAS to get a bow ban. And their scholarship sanction offer is pretty significant because of the drop to 81 overall. Their initial counter offer is probably light, but besides coach suspensions (including maybe Freeze thanks to the new rules) that could be the only raise in punishments.

Any Lvl 1 violation on the 3 year probation or repeat offender window if extended will lead to a 2-4 year bowl ban though. So guys like Harris and Kiffin need to watch themselves with these boosters and agents. The NCAA isn't going to shorten the offered probation lol

NCAA hits us with 21 lost + bowl ban.

Just some perspective on the proposed 9 over 3 from Ole Miss.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2 game suspension (15% season) for Freeze. Yes, he is accused of nothing, but one of the stated goals of the new penalty system was to make head coaches more accountable for the actions of their staff/assistant coaches. That is supposed to motivate head coaches to promote compliance out of fear for the own neck/salary

A way the NCAA can give the penalties bite, but not cripple OM as an ESPN money maker woild be to suspend Freeze but give no or less of a post season ban. The suspension would probably get more press.

The self imposed penalties are in part based on OM's response that some of the Level 1 penalties should be level 2 (including all of current coach Harris' violations) and some of the level 2 should be level 3 (Including all of current coach Kiffin's violations)

Also, they dispute the serious Level 1 "failure to monitor" charge RE Tunsil and differentiate the Saunders test scandal from ULL's in that ULL's was over 3 years and multiple test dates and Saunders only set up fake tests for OM once (ULL got 11 taken away over 3 years)

So you can pretty much take it to the bank that these penalties hinge on those responses.

If they think the Saunders thing is just as bad, 11 is a starting point. If not maybe that could contribute as title as 3-4 over 3 years. (1/3 the ULL penalty) If they think Harris and Kiffin's commited he more serious Lv 1 violations, they will be fired (show cause) and I'd expect stepper penaltie than otherwise self imposed. If the Tunsil failure to monitor sticks (OM says they did all they could to discover the issue before Tunsil's dad told the NCAA, NCAA disagrees) that could be the big one. It woild logically create additional penalties since OM doesn't admit to that one at all