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re: I see a whole lot of talk coming from Texas fans
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 7:23 am
It is going to be one of the Top 10 Games of the Year
2 Top 10 Teams
Tx replaced Humphrey with two 5 star WR: Mccoy & Whittington
Ehlinger made a big jump: 36 TDs Passing, 18 Tds Rushing
2 Top 10 Teams
Tx replaced Humphrey with two 5 star WR: Mccoy & Whittington
Ehlinger made a big jump: 36 TDs Passing, 18 Tds Rushing
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re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 7:14 am
Want to see if the Team is getting better or not and where the weaknesses are? Then take this free offer and publish it here.
CBTN: Coaching by the Numbers is like an audit of the entire program and measures strengths & improvement over 5 yrs as compared to their Conference Average. If I were an AD/HC/OC/President I would want to know this information. Full disclosure vs hype.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 1:53 am
Orgeron still does not have a Top down Philosophical Offensive Makeover approach because O&E have not proven qualified to do that. The approach is relying on the remaining players after graduation and Early Departures combined with the new Recruits to transform the team. It would make more sense to identify Coaching/Scheme weaknesses with CBTN analytics so you know what expertise you are lacking and need to change: It is how you Play the Game. If the OL is suspect or depleted...spread it out and speed it up: Compare his Off to ALA, CLEM, A&M, Texas.
Personnel usage by the top five CBTN rated FBS offenses in 2018. You can see that Saban tried to rely on his run game more than CLEM/OSU, and added complexity by varying Personnel which slows down play. SABAN used more 2 TE heavy run groupings - 2x as much as Ohio and Clem combined, rather than the more explosive 11, 10 groupings which is Modern Offense, all 4 of the NFL Playoff Semifinalist use it, none more than the Rams who went from last in Scoring to 1st in 1 season and are playing for the Super Bowl in season 2..ultimate validation in FBS & NFL.
Clemson needed to give Lawrence an offense that could maintain its high flying capabilities, but also keep it basic enough that the eighteen year old did not become overwhelmed. The results are a read based offense where Lawrence gets to focus on one read player. He has multiple plays where he has pre and post snap reads, but all are basic enough that Lawrence has been able to successfully run this championship level scheme. Successful RPO teams force teams to play man coverage on the wide receivers, which plays into Clemson’s hands because Lawrence has proven he can fit the ball into tight spaces. Clemson is more than willing to throw the ten yard out for a first down if the defense gives it to them.
Clemson also uses a number of bubble run pass options to give Lawrence high percentage throws and allow their play making wide receivers to turn short passes into big gains. Clemson runs the RPO more than any other team. Etienne leads the nation in rushing TDs and he has Passing TDs as well. Lawrence can also run it...really run it.
Below: Lawrence faking, coming to a stop on lower screen, then catching and passing Etienne who already had a lead: Etienne peak speed 21 mph, so Lawrence a bit faster on this play...shocked Etienne & Trevor's teammates.
Personnel usage by the top five CBTN rated FBS offenses in 2018. You can see that Saban tried to rely on his run game more than CLEM/OSU, and added complexity by varying Personnel which slows down play. SABAN used more 2 TE heavy run groupings - 2x as much as Ohio and Clem combined, rather than the more explosive 11, 10 groupings which is Modern Offense, all 4 of the NFL Playoff Semifinalist use it, none more than the Rams who went from last in Scoring to 1st in 1 season and are playing for the Super Bowl in season 2..ultimate validation in FBS & NFL.
Clemson needed to give Lawrence an offense that could maintain its high flying capabilities, but also keep it basic enough that the eighteen year old did not become overwhelmed. The results are a read based offense where Lawrence gets to focus on one read player. He has multiple plays where he has pre and post snap reads, but all are basic enough that Lawrence has been able to successfully run this championship level scheme. Successful RPO teams force teams to play man coverage on the wide receivers, which plays into Clemson’s hands because Lawrence has proven he can fit the ball into tight spaces. Clemson is more than willing to throw the ten yard out for a first down if the defense gives it to them.
Clemson also uses a number of bubble run pass options to give Lawrence high percentage throws and allow their play making wide receivers to turn short passes into big gains. Clemson runs the RPO more than any other team. Etienne leads the nation in rushing TDs and he has Passing TDs as well. Lawrence can also run it...really run it.
Below: Lawrence faking, coming to a stop on lower screen, then catching and passing Etienne who already had a lead: Etienne peak speed 21 mph, so Lawrence a bit faster on this play...shocked Etienne & Trevor's teammates.
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1. Use the same personnel as much as possible. Defensive coordinators have to make their decisions based on your personnel, not your formation. Don’t give them anything to work with. All offenses try to make defenses guess incorrectly. That’s the trick behind any option concept: isolate specific defenders, make them guess, and punish them for that choice. Moorhead tries to make defensive coordinators guess wrong, too. In 2016, as Penn State was making its run to the Big Ten title, Moorhead’s offense ran more than 98 percent of its plays out of 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end, three receivers). The numbers barely changed last year. A Moorhead offense can morph into plenty of looks, and players can substitute within their position groups, but the defense can’t glean anything from the players coming on and off the field. “Defensive coordinators, they don’t really know what formation you’re going to line up in,” Moorhead says. “So when you’re in a certain personnel grouping, you have to make a defensive call, and it’s gotta match up against any formation they can align in.
By the time the defense sees the formation, it’s too late to call a play.
“So with us never switching personnel, we can align in three different formations with the tight end attached, we can align in two different formations with the tight end detached, and then we can line up in three different empty[-backfield] formations. And we haven’t taken anybody out of the game.” ”
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One of the reasons we went to this RPO style of offense was due to the availability (or lack thereof) of offensive linemen. The other was that it spread the defense out and made the number of people in the box which had to be accounted for by the blockers somewhat predictable. And finally because we can have an option read on every running play, which requires our opponents to work on their option responsibilities prior to playing us.
Having the QB “Read” the defensive end on the zone allows him to essentially become an “extra blocker,” simply by his assignment. In other words, by “Reading” the defensive end that gives us seven people in the box offensively (5 linemen, 1 RB and 1 QB) that must be accounted for by the defense.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 1:44 am
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If he loses 3 games next season, barring an injury to Burrow, he should be on a massive hot seat.
Expect the same 3 base losses plus most likely Herman, the pick, in the Opener. These are all fast rising programs who have Offensive Identities/Coaches/Schemes. Don't expect Malzahn's Revenge Tour, coaching his plays, with a DTQB & RB to be the SOS. Everyone is set to improve as much or more than they were this year, that is their mandate for maintaining their jobs. Moorehead is a proven RPO innovator/implementer as former Penn State OC.
Very sobering if we start 0-1 vs TX.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 12:20 am
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CBTN: Coaching by the Numbers is like an audit of the entire program and measures strengths & improvement over 5 yrs as compared to their Conference Average. FWIW these 2 programs are dominating and still improving, especially Clemson. If I were an AD/HC/OC/President I would want to know this information. Lane Kiffin paid for this analysis in 2017 for FAU.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 2/1/19 at 12:14 am
Moving the goalposts Prematurely Raising Pay without Competing for Championships:
That 75 million Fisher hire has been mocked on this Board as recently as the 4th Qtr of the A&M Game in a thread "Not Looking Like 75 Million." Now it is "well O doesn't make as much as Fisher".
Herman received the same treatment. Now LSU posters want to use other Coaches, we passed on, and their pay as justification to boost O's pay before he proves he can fix the Offense which has posted Zero points vs the Benchmark SECW program.
That 75 million Fisher hire has been mocked on this Board as recently as the 4th Qtr of the A&M Game in a thread "Not Looking Like 75 Million." Now it is "well O doesn't make as much as Fisher".
Herman received the same treatment. Now LSU posters want to use other Coaches, we passed on, and their pay as justification to boost O's pay before he proves he can fix the Offense which has posted Zero points vs the Benchmark SECW program.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 11:47 pm
Recruiting Talent has never translated to Wins/Losses at LSU: In 2016 when O took over the 3 yr average was 3.3 Nationally.
Up until signing day you say you will win with incoming talent after that the fact is you win with Coaching.
re: The Orgeron Extension Talk: Why?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 11:23 pm
There are not many great Xs and Os HC/OCs. Fewer great ADs:
Great ADs result in great HC Searches and Coaching hires and 'aligned' winning programs. Alleva does not make any lists for great ADs who know the value of football as the window on a University and Revenue growth. His history at Duke from 100-200 million Lacrosse scandal, baseball steroids, Disastrous football Coaching hires: 13-90 record - Duke thanked LSU in a letter for taking him off their hands....these are facts published by LSU Reveille, longing for the Emmert Flagship Agenda AD hire - 2 from LSU went to CLEM & A&M -Radakovich & Woodward:
Gene Smith knows his job
Radakovich knows his job
Scott Woodward knows his job
Orgeron Has Not Proven He Can Fix The Offense: It has trended down the last 4 yrs, the last 3 under O&E because they are not what was promised - an Offensive-minded Coach.
The Artifact in the SECW/SEC: The last 3 yrs have seen the majority of the SEC Coaches replaced because they failed to compete for titles/beat Saban or took jumps to better jobs like Mullen. Mullen left in a year he had the talent to win the West. But the Coaches Alleva passed on and which have been relentlessly attacked by Ree & Co., Fisher & Herman are proving along with Mullen that great Offensive Coaches make quick turnarounds. They have the "Sauce" and they have Great ADs.
Both, Offensive Architect, Game Planning, Play Calling, Hiring, retaining Coaches & Players, and much more:
Dabo has appeared in all 4 CFP playoffs the last 4 years and won 2, the last, a total demoralizing demolition of Saban, which could have been far worse.
OTOH: Saban was ready to claim what he believed all year: that Tua and ALA's consecutive years of recruiting and stockpiling talent, now on the Offensive side of the ball made this team unstoppable: "My team went 15-0 and we accomplished the greatest feat in history". Rat Poision!!
So, Saban, dejected, flips instantly from 1 game making his team the GOAT if he won it to "I don't believe 1 game defines who you are as a team." Pure Saban. Championship or Bust.
Saban then fires all his OCs/DCs or they leave so Saban can completely rebuild to try and catch Clemson.
So if the Recruiting relies on the position Coaches being long term at the school is true then it is open season on flipping his recruits...but it is not. Sort like "Saban to Tex" was going to crater his recruiting. Nope. Strawman.
Big Whoops! Dabo beat Saban worse than ALA beats LSU...with Dabo's Innovative Scheme that only requires the FR QB or any QB to make one simple read and either throw to one of his 4 WRs in 1on1 matchup, or hand off or pass to Etienne, or keep it himself. You have to go fast, not sub, empower the QB, make it simple.
Whether you Win or Lose is in How You Play the Game: the X's & Os that constitute the Scheme, Coaching history of Skill Player Development on both sides. Buckeye minimizes those shortcomings to 'Cheerleading'. That was not the case at Ohio State.
The only link between Dabo & O is that Dabo has moved the real Death Valley Tigers to Clemson S.C. as Etienne noted. He waited 9 mos for Eliot & Clemson to come calling. They did 2 days after the NC. Now Etienne is a top Heisman contender and leads the nation in Rushing TDs.
There is no valid comparison between O, a DL coach, and Dabo an Offensive Innovator. Dabo was a WR at ALA, WR/TE Coach at ALA before he went to Clemson and worked his way up to AHC/WR then Interim HC/OC over 5 years.
Dabo is very involved in the Offense...he was the architect. He fired and hired the OC & DC to implement a Big 12 Offense with an SEC Defense. It is built around his WR/TE/OC/AHC & Interim Coaching experience. Big difference is that he is an Offensive genius and surrounds himself with the best Coaches who share the same vision. They like their work. Winning is self-perpetuating and sustains Recruiting.
It is hard to duplicate historic success with incrementalism, excuses, and Next Year we will be better and everyone else Coaching for their jobs will stall out, not improve, or fall to our level.
Being great on Defense/TOP/Grinding it out, wearing down opponents and then blaming the Defense for not covering for your lack of Offense "3rd & Chavis/Aranda" is Scapegoating your weaknesses and not modern Offensive football.
Scoring Points is the Objective of the game and people are doing that at record rates.
Great ADs result in great HC Searches and Coaching hires and 'aligned' winning programs. Alleva does not make any lists for great ADs who know the value of football as the window on a University and Revenue growth. His history at Duke from 100-200 million Lacrosse scandal, baseball steroids, Disastrous football Coaching hires: 13-90 record - Duke thanked LSU in a letter for taking him off their hands....these are facts published by LSU Reveille, longing for the Emmert Flagship Agenda AD hire - 2 from LSU went to CLEM & A&M -Radakovich & Woodward:
Gene Smith knows his job
Radakovich knows his job
Scott Woodward knows his job
Orgeron Has Not Proven He Can Fix The Offense: It has trended down the last 4 yrs, the last 3 under O&E because they are not what was promised - an Offensive-minded Coach.
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The fault here goes to Alleva's incompetent leadership that undervalued its own program to such a degree that it settled for the defensive line coach. Orgeron was always going to be there for LSU, whether the search took another week or another month. Nobody else was going to hire him to be a head coach. He could have been the fallback option to the fallback option. Furthermore, giving him an ironclad contract that the school couldn’t get out of quickly or inexpensively was just bad business by LSU.
The Artifact in the SECW/SEC: The last 3 yrs have seen the majority of the SEC Coaches replaced because they failed to compete for titles/beat Saban or took jumps to better jobs like Mullen. Mullen left in a year he had the talent to win the West. But the Coaches Alleva passed on and which have been relentlessly attacked by Ree & Co., Fisher & Herman are proving along with Mullen that great Offensive Coaches make quick turnarounds. They have the "Sauce" and they have Great ADs.
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Either Dabo is more involved in the offense than we give him credit for or he’s better at hiring
Both, Offensive Architect, Game Planning, Play Calling, Hiring, retaining Coaches & Players, and much more:
Dabo has appeared in all 4 CFP playoffs the last 4 years and won 2, the last, a total demoralizing demolition of Saban, which could have been far worse.
OTOH: Saban was ready to claim what he believed all year: that Tua and ALA's consecutive years of recruiting and stockpiling talent, now on the Offensive side of the ball made this team unstoppable: "My team went 15-0 and we accomplished the greatest feat in history". Rat Poision!!
So, Saban, dejected, flips instantly from 1 game making his team the GOAT if he won it to "I don't believe 1 game defines who you are as a team." Pure Saban. Championship or Bust.
Saban then fires all his OCs/DCs or they leave so Saban can completely rebuild to try and catch Clemson.
So if the Recruiting relies on the position Coaches being long term at the school is true then it is open season on flipping his recruits...but it is not. Sort like "Saban to Tex" was going to crater his recruiting. Nope. Strawman.
Big Whoops! Dabo beat Saban worse than ALA beats LSU...with Dabo's Innovative Scheme that only requires the FR QB or any QB to make one simple read and either throw to one of his 4 WRs in 1on1 matchup, or hand off or pass to Etienne, or keep it himself. You have to go fast, not sub, empower the QB, make it simple.
Whether you Win or Lose is in How You Play the Game: the X's & Os that constitute the Scheme, Coaching history of Skill Player Development on both sides. Buckeye minimizes those shortcomings to 'Cheerleading'. That was not the case at Ohio State.
The only link between Dabo & O is that Dabo has moved the real Death Valley Tigers to Clemson S.C. as Etienne noted. He waited 9 mos for Eliot & Clemson to come calling. They did 2 days after the NC. Now Etienne is a top Heisman contender and leads the nation in Rushing TDs.
There is no valid comparison between O, a DL coach, and Dabo an Offensive Innovator. Dabo was a WR at ALA, WR/TE Coach at ALA before he went to Clemson and worked his way up to AHC/WR then Interim HC/OC over 5 years.
Dabo is very involved in the Offense...he was the architect. He fired and hired the OC & DC to implement a Big 12 Offense with an SEC Defense. It is built around his WR/TE/OC/AHC & Interim Coaching experience. Big difference is that he is an Offensive genius and surrounds himself with the best Coaches who share the same vision. They like their work. Winning is self-perpetuating and sustains Recruiting.
It is hard to duplicate historic success with incrementalism, excuses, and Next Year we will be better and everyone else Coaching for their jobs will stall out, not improve, or fall to our level.
Being great on Defense/TOP/Grinding it out, wearing down opponents and then blaming the Defense for not covering for your lack of Offense "3rd & Chavis/Aranda" is Scapegoating your weaknesses and not modern Offensive football.
Scoring Points is the Objective of the game and people are doing that at record rates.
re: Hannagriff “There’s an ocean of difference between you and Alabama”
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 3:52 pm
So, You revert to "Winning The Battle In The Trenches"?
You will never out Bully a Bully who actually has a Top Rated Offense and we don't.
You will never out Bully a Bully who actually has a Top Rated Offense and we don't.
re: Hannagriff “There’s an ocean of difference between you and Alabama”
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 1:50 pm
True. That was a Saban team who won the NC the next year.
re: Hannagriff “There’s an ocean of difference between you and Alabama”
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 1:42 pm
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It’s not wider than ever lol
Let's see about that: 29-0 was the Worst Beatdown by a Top 5 team in the 44 yrs since such records were kept. Historic gap.
re: Hannagriff “There’s an ocean of difference between you and Alabama”
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/31/19 at 1:34 pm
In fact, since O has been calling the shots the gap between the two programs has widen to never seen before levels
re: Trash culcha - Deny, Deny, Deny even when caught.
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/30/19 at 11:14 am
LBJ is at the top of the list...used to whip his Johnson out in Cabinet meetings...I guess that is where the term originated. He was having a threesome in the Oval Orifice when LadyBird came in and caught him by surprise.
Hmmm okay yourself
Hmmm okay yourself
re: Ex Ohio HS Counselor gets two years in prison for sex with teen student
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/30/19 at 11:07 am
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I don’t see the problem.
She was a counselor.
He was sad.
She sexed him up.
That made him happy.
Why is a woman being punished for doing a bang up job at work?
Kiffin to Orgeron: "I am looking for a head job and I want a head job." Went to Boca found head jobs abundant and took the HC job as well.
There are over 60 priests on the list in BR & NOLA
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A Baton Rouge bishop who sexually abused young men while he threatened to excommunicate Catholics who disobeyed church doctrine.
As a young student I was grateful for caring teachers.
I hope the 17 yr old learns the meaning of discretion. In a few months, when he turns 18, he has to stop dating all his younger sister's girlfriends and reflect on his stupidity.
She was branded a Tier 3 sex offender, meaning she will have to register with a local sheriff every 90 days for the rest of her life, WJW reported.
re: Trash culcha - Deny, Deny, Deny even when caught.
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/30/19 at 11:05 am
re: What’s the coldest weather you’ve been in?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/30/19 at 11:02 am
Roger, that is a mild day for Beaver Creek & Watson Lake in Feb - Whenever I was there in winter it was about this time of yr and -55. I was having coffee at little Milepost cafe after camping in the Yukon and saw this on the bulletin board: 'Notice, School buses will not run if Temp is below -55F, however, schools will be open and you are expected to be there."
re: What’s the coldest weather you’ve been in?
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/30/19 at 10:50 am
Mike taking a chill
Champagne & Vodka is always cold
-68 F ambient, 110-120 below wind chill, Nuquisit, AK: The diesel fuel actually gelled up. It is the wind chill that makes it dangerous to bare skin. Throw a steaming cup of coffee in the air and it turns to snow instantly.
No one talks about the cold. Schools only close if it is -55 or below. Winter is fun time - no mosquitos, the AK state bird.
"No such thing as cold weather, only inadequate clothing." True.
The coldest temp ever measured in an inhabited place -98F in Oymyakon Siberia. Yakutsk, a city closest, has similar temps. The road Stalin built with slave labor is called the Road of Bones because 1 man died per yard/meter - 1 million total - and their bones were put in the road bed. That is a stereotype of what people will do to each other for Power & Money.
Gruzdeva became a star overnight
Maybe it is cold outside..not inside.
Yakutsk or yakutia in winter..has a summer
Road of Bones
The coldest temp ever measured on earth: Antarctica, -128.7 F.
re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/29/19 at 7:53 pm
Buckeye, What makes this ALA play an RPO vs a quick middle screen like Brady to Gronk or a read option or play action? What are differences?
Disclaimer: I post occasionally because I am an alumnus and want to see the AD/HC/OC succeed..make the changes to compete. That is not Ohate, or negativism, so don't demonize it, is is challenging a PR machine that is too stubborn to change, insular, and good ole boy-based. The absence of a Coaching search did not produce the first Offensive Coach or any new blood. O took his dream job because Alleva offered. Who can blame O? AD did it at Duke too.
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Buckeye Jeaux: Joe Moorhead who was one of the architects of the RPO??
This sounds suspect. You often contradict yourself and morph your opinion to what you read the day before and turn it into some PR style statement that this or that is going to happen, apparently to stem critical evaluation of how we compete and score vs ALA, Clem, A&M, Mullen, TX and Malzahn whose RPOs made Saban change. Add in every tempo high-scoring offense and every team to make it to the playoffs and LSU has to go from the bottom Offensively to the top. Snap! And that is going to happen via a "feeling the heat directive coming down from above"? I am incredulous.
Moorehead was not an architect but he did adopt them at Penn State & MSST. Almost every modern Offense with Personnel and Coaching Scheme utilizes them. But it is still limited in the NFL compared FBS. And you cannot just say in regards to implementing RPOs that they are a menu item on some CBTN 'Pick a Scheme..Oh and have a few RPOs on the side". It is a fundamental Offensive makeover.
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And would Orgeron do it if he wasn't feeling heat from above? I doubt it. But he is feeling it - it looks like a done deal, IMO.
Saints use of RPOs??? Link Maybe, but Brady and Brees are the last of the Pro-Style QBs and the Pats are at the bottom of the NFL with regards to RPOs. RPOs expose the QB to more sacks and LSU already has that problem.
Do you know what an RPO is? If so explain it to me please, what it takes to implement, the difference in the Pro and FBS RPO, which teams utilize it, how much, etc.
Please provide the links and the explanation. OTW I think you are talking BS like Haskins and Burrow, Meyer and Day, Gene Smith, etc.
Also please provide the often requested info about why Burrow is better than Haskins.
Answer any one win a prize, answer all win the CFP.
re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/29/19 at 5:45 pm
In support of Lonnie4LSU: answering the quote from Roger in Context with Offensive Scoring Efficiency which has trended down for last 4 yrs since 2015 as you often point out.
You use yearly passing stats like yardage and completion % to say the Passing game is better or improving when it is not. There were a record number of atts/gm, but through the ALA game the Passing Offense was last in the SEC and ranked 118th, below Rice. The entire Scoring Off ranked 120th for the year to that point.
You might consider that there were Zero TDs/4 INTS for the toughest 4 games: FLA, MSST, GA, ALA which left the Passing Game ranked last in the entire FBS. Zero is Zero. Those were legit pass Defenses/Secondary.
Burrow also had Zero TDs in the Miami, La Tech Games, and 1 vs ARK & AUB. That is the most inconsistent Pass Production ever posted. But the yearly stats for yards were up, and we were #1 in Redzone Futility, and FGs.
But we ranked near the bottom of the FBS in TDs/Possession, Pts/Play, Pts/Min - measures of Scoring Efficiency.
The Alleva Benchmark for LSU -Miles and O - has always been "Competing for Championships" not "In the Hunt"....for Miles 5-3 was seen as 'the decline is real'. Now finishing 5-3, lower in Off Scoring, and suffering a 29-0 beatdown, the worst home defeat in 44 yrs for a Top 5 team against the Gatekeeper of the SECW is Exceeding Expectations, 'We're Comin" and "Participation Trophy Time".
2018: 7th place finish in Off in SEC,
2017:9th,
2016: 10th,
2015: 6th
0 pts vs Ala in last 2 home games with O&E
0-6 vs Saban, Mullen, Fisher
6th Place Finish in Off in SEC - Best in last 4 years
5-3 SEC record
32.8 pts/gm in 2015 which was 6th in SEC vs tougher SOS and tougher SEC
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Well we threw for 2900 yards last year and got another 400 yards rushing out of the position
While some things still need to be improved I feel that's pretty good production from a first year starter The efficiency still need to be improved byput that's the 4th best passing year (yardage) in LSU history.
You use yearly passing stats like yardage and completion % to say the Passing game is better or improving when it is not. There were a record number of atts/gm, but through the ALA game the Passing Offense was last in the SEC and ranked 118th, below Rice. The entire Scoring Off ranked 120th for the year to that point.
You might consider that there were Zero TDs/4 INTS for the toughest 4 games: FLA, MSST, GA, ALA which left the Passing Game ranked last in the entire FBS. Zero is Zero. Those were legit pass Defenses/Secondary.
Burrow also had Zero TDs in the Miami, La Tech Games, and 1 vs ARK & AUB. That is the most inconsistent Pass Production ever posted. But the yearly stats for yards were up, and we were #1 in Redzone Futility, and FGs.
But we ranked near the bottom of the FBS in TDs/Possession, Pts/Play, Pts/Min - measures of Scoring Efficiency.
The Alleva Benchmark for LSU -Miles and O - has always been "Competing for Championships" not "In the Hunt"....for Miles 5-3 was seen as 'the decline is real'. Now finishing 5-3, lower in Off Scoring, and suffering a 29-0 beatdown, the worst home defeat in 44 yrs for a Top 5 team against the Gatekeeper of the SECW is Exceeding Expectations, 'We're Comin" and "Participation Trophy Time".
2018: 7th place finish in Off in SEC,
2017:9th,
2016: 10th,
2015: 6th
0 pts vs Ala in last 2 home games with O&E
0-6 vs Saban, Mullen, Fisher
6th Place Finish in Off in SEC - Best in last 4 years
5-3 SEC record
32.8 pts/gm in 2015 which was 6th in SEC vs tougher SOS and tougher SEC
re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted by SEC Grapevine on 1/29/19 at 1:28 am
Beating ALA has always been the standard
Beating ALA/Saban has always been the minimum required for an LSU Coach, regardless of name, to have a successful season, win the SECW, & get to the CFP to Compete For Championships.
Now where is the trend line going vs ALA?
Alleva clearly stating This Fact in the Coaching Hire Requirements before the FLA game loss in 2016: The most important job he has is to hire an experienced HC who will compete for championships every year by recruiting and adapting to changes in the game: Excited for upcoming FLA game: Fisher & Herman were still on the list at this point.
FLA game rescheduled due to weather and had to be played in TS on 11/19: 16-10 FLA upset and they win the East.
One week later on Nov 26: "We've got our man," LSU athletic director Joe Alleva proclaimed at Orgeron's introductory press conference Nov. 26, "and he's been here all along."
Even friends and family stated ALA is the game he has to win to compete for championships after he was hired: Dec 2016
Alleva's Letter to Start 2018: Roster has been purpose-built to compete for Championships in SEC, OL/DL/Improve Passing - No Excuses Here
Only now you have to add in Fisher, Mullen, and Herman. They ALL turned around their programs in their first year. And they are all being hyped:
Beating ALA/Saban has always been the minimum required for an LSU Coach, regardless of name, to have a successful season, win the SECW, & get to the CFP to Compete For Championships.
Now where is the trend line going vs ALA?
Alleva clearly stating This Fact in the Coaching Hire Requirements before the FLA game loss in 2016: The most important job he has is to hire an experienced HC who will compete for championships every year by recruiting and adapting to changes in the game: Excited for upcoming FLA game: Fisher & Herman were still on the list at this point.
FLA game rescheduled due to weather and had to be played in TS on 11/19: 16-10 FLA upset and they win the East.
One week later on Nov 26: "We've got our man," LSU athletic director Joe Alleva proclaimed at Orgeron's introductory press conference Nov. 26, "and he's been here all along."
Even friends and family stated ALA is the game he has to win to compete for championships after he was hired: Dec 2016
Alleva's Letter to Start 2018: Roster has been purpose-built to compete for Championships in SEC, OL/DL/Improve Passing - No Excuses Here
Only now you have to add in Fisher, Mullen, and Herman. They ALL turned around their programs in their first year. And they are all being hyped:
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