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re: UGA Basketball Season Long Thread (19-15, 10-10) // Season Complete

Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:09 pm to
Posted by VADawg
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:09 pm to
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Michigan State is an elite bball program in case you didnt know it.


No shite, but they suck this year and the fans still show.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13970 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:34 pm to
That was a good win. We need a few other guys to start scoring. Hoping they get hot going into the SEC.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39850 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:57 am to
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No shite, but they suck this year and the fans still show.


Who would have ever thought fans at a bball school would go to bball games? Mind Blown.
Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
1572 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:13 am to
We still have a good shot of finishing 4th in the conference even with a loss to Kentucky. We have to win at Alabama and at Arkansas both of which are completely do-able.

That would also put us at 18 wins on the season. Then another 20 win season should be easily reachable and would help recruiting. Our RPI is at 53 and amazingly we still have a chance at the tournament.

On the last game, I was really disappointed to see Crump only play 5 minutes. Offensively we played well and shot the ball well so he wouldn't have been a huge upgrade but I'd still like to see him play more.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13970 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:39 am to
The ESPN talking heads had us on the bubble still after last night. I think a lot in the media like Maten and JJ combo. Fun guys to watch. Probably why we are still in the conversations with the bad run. Need to win 2/3 and 2 in the SEC and I bet we get in as a 10ish. Still a long shot, but it would be pretty cool. Not out of th realm of possibility.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36722 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:50 am to
A Malik monk horse shite baseline shot is going to cost us a tourney berth fml
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26185 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:01 am to
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A Malik monk horse shite baseline shot is going to cost us a tourney berth fml



I was thinking about that last night while watching Kentucky take Tennessee behind the barn.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89676 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:16 am to
If we miss out on the tourney it won't be for losing to kentucky.
Posted by TigerinUGA
Missouri
Member since Feb 2013
735 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:30 am to
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If we miss out on the tourney it won't be for losing to kentucky.


Depends how many games we win in these last 5 plus the SECT but that game will be a huge part of it. 0-6 vs UK, FL, & SC hurts. Those are signature wins against tourney teams. Get 2 of those and our resume looks a lot different.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89676 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:46 am to
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0-6 vs UK, FL, & SC hurts.


But the UK losses are basically already assumed before the season starts. As long as we play basketball we should never chalk up a win preseason over UK, similar to when vandy plays alabama in football. That's just how it goes.

If we miss the tourney, it won't be because we lost 2 games to UK that we "shouldn't" have won anyway. It'll be because of losses to clemson, oakland, aTm, bama, etc.
Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
1572 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:19 pm to
I really don't think very much of Arkansas. I think if we beat Alabama we will 4-1 over the last five. Would be great to give crump more minutes and for Wilridge to step up.

That would put us at 18-12 gong into the SEC tourney. I probably still see us out of the tourney but you never know. Perhaps if we get the 4 seed going into the tourney, that will be pretty valuable in the eyes of the committee.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36722 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:13 pm to
You're completely undervaluing the importance of a road win at Kentucky. It basically serves as the only source needed for the committee in showing them you can beat good teams. It buys you so much fricking real estate that it is absurd.

The single most important possible win on our resume is @kentucky in a landslide. You win that single game and you are completely forgiven of like three losses, it's ridiculous.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89676 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:15 pm to
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You're completely undervaluing the importance of a road win at Kentucky.


No, I'm accurately valuing the importance of a road loss at kentucky.

UGA will never miss out on the NCAAT because of losing to kentucky. If we miss the tourney it will be because of losing to a handful of inferior teams and/or not having any really notable wins.

I've never once said anythign on teh topic of us actually beating kentucky, which yes obviously would be gigantic.

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The single most important possible win on our resume is @kentucky in a landslide.


I'm not disputing that. Just about every season UK is the biggest possible win on the schedule. Which by extension makes a loss to them not really hurt that much. It's hte losses to the teams we're actually on par wiht or better than that hurt.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36722 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:13 pm to
the loss doesnt hurt at all, but quality wins are by far the number 1 metric used in ncaa tournament selection.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:40 pm to
Making it into the tournament *because* of a win over UK is not equivalent to missing the tournament *because* of a loss to UK. Winning against UK has more added value than losing to UK subtracts. I don't think WG is devaluing a possible win over UK. He's simply stating that our ticket to the tournament could have been stamped simply by not losing to teams we shouldn't have lost to. Having to pull a win against UK out of your arse because you lost games that you shouldn't have and then failing to do so isn't "missing the tournament because you lost to Kentucky".

If I go to Vegas with $10,000, lose $9900 playing craps and blackjack and then bet my last $100 on a crazy longshot that would pay 100 to 1 or better and lose... I "went broke" playing craps and blackjack. Not betting on the longshot.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:40 pm to
Edit: My first double post I think...
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36722 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 4:48 pm to
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Having to pull a win against UK out of your arse because you lost games that you shouldn't have and then failing to do so isn't "missing the tournament because you lost to Kentucky".


i simply stated that one shot could literally change our tournament life. i used the word "cost" for no real reason and have no problem changing that word, if that's where all of this argument is disseminating from.

we will probably frick up and lose more and none of this will matter, but there is a small chance that ONE malik monk jumper is the difference between us being in or out of the tournament, which was the purpose of my post.

our ticket to the tournament could have been stamped by winning every single game. no single shot had more of an impact than that one.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:07 pm to
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one shot could literally change our tournament life

This is the sword you live and die by with Fox though... How many times have we been one shot, one possession, one "something" away from a big win... There is this optimism and hope among Fox supporters that one day magically he will get over the hurdle, but by and large Fox coached teams play close but still lose to better teams and then often times inexplicably lose games they have no business losing. It's why we're a bubble team at best most seasons and haven't won a round in the tournament with him.

At this point, the tea leaves seem to be indicating we have another season of Fox regardless of the outcome of this year, but I just don't agree with it or understand it. This year was supposed to be the talented roster that he's finally put together and culminate in some level of higher success than he's achieved previously and it just isn't there. He continues to make stranger and stranger decisions (see: Willridge over Crump regardless of production), and seemingly is still trying to figure out the optimal lineup this late in the season...
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36722 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:39 pm to
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This year was supposed to be the talented roster that he's finally put together

next year's roster is better
Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
1572 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 5:45 pm to
He said it was a matchup thing with Crump. So I'm fine with that; however, I'm not fine with Crump only playing 5 minutes especially after what he did against UT and how much improvement he's showed throughout the year.

Next year we should show much improvement as a whole.
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