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re: UGA Basketball Season Long Thread (19-15, 10-10) // Season Complete
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:44 am to DoubleDawg22
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:44 am to DoubleDawg22
If GM does this for that reason then we have the lousiest excuse for an AD I've ever seen. I completely understand the logic behind it, and it is based on SOME rationale, but the mindset of "we don't' like this guy. We don't want him. He's not the best fit and we'd really like to go ahead and fire him. Buuuuuuttttt there's other teams with openings too and we're scared to bid against them so we'll keep him around another year and see what happens" is just beyond words.
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:58 am to WG_Dawg
Yeah let's draft this QB because he is the best in this years draft instead of filling other needs and waiting until a can't miss is there.
Geno Smith worked and it's not hard to find other guys that are the exact same story.
Geno Smith worked and it's not hard to find other guys that are the exact same story.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:00 pm to DoubleDawg22
wut
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:13 pm to WG_Dawg
I just could not disagree more with any of your philosophies. We should not fire a coach to go get the best on the board. We should fire him and go get something better. If we are actually going backwards then Fire him immediately. At that point anything would be better. If we are stagnant, wait until we know we have the best thing we can get. If that hire is immediate great. If that hire is next year then so be it.
Your idea is out there all over the NFL with teams that draft QB's. Most QB's are failures because they are grossly overrated but teams waste draft picks on these kids using this exact same philosophy.
Your idea is out there all over the NFL with teams that draft QB's. Most QB's are failures because they are grossly overrated but teams waste draft picks on these kids using this exact same philosophy.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:25 pm to DoubleDawg22
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I just could not disagree more with any of your philosophies
It's an old cliche but it's rooted in absolute truth: "what must be done eventually should be done immediately". Fox is not the answer at UGA. He's had 8 years, the writing is on the wall. His time is done. You don't basically throw the entire 17/18 season in the garbage can simply because you're scared to find a home run hire. Your philosophy is that of a cowardly loser. You want to keep our loser coach at this loser program because you're scared that there isn't a big enough winner out there at this time. Guess what? Fox isn't a winner. So go get someone who might be.
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We should not fire a coach to go get the best on the board.
That is literally EXACTLY what you should do. Do you hear yourself?
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We should fire him and go get something better.
There are dozens upon dozens of coaches that are better than fox that would come here.
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If we are stagnant, wait until we know we have the best thing we can get
this is exactly how mcgarity thinks and it's the reason not a single program is currently doing better than it was prior to his hiring. If you sit around and wait until the next hot up and coming coahc calls us out of the blue and says "I really want to come to UGA are you intersted?" you'll be sitting around for 20 years wondering why we still haven't gone to a tourney yet.
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Your idea is out there all over the NFL with teams that draft QB's.
This has nothing to do with the NFL or with football at all. It has to do with UGA basketball making our progrma better than it is under Fox.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:28 pm to DoubleDawg22
I'm fairly sure the point was lost on you there bud.
He's saying that we can't wait to dip our toe in the water until we feel like we're the big swinging dick at the party. We've got to essentially take a stance that a) we're taking basketball seriously and b) we are willing to pay for a serious coach to do so. Go backdoor the negotiations now, but get an agreement in principle with the guy you want before you announce any kind of firing... it won't be the first or last time that a school has already secured their replacement at the time of termination for the existing coach. If the plan is to wait until the end of the season, UGA's almost never going to be the absolute top coaching job open, so waiting for that mythical day is ridiculous.
He's saying that we can't wait to dip our toe in the water until we feel like we're the big swinging dick at the party. We've got to essentially take a stance that a) we're taking basketball seriously and b) we are willing to pay for a serious coach to do so. Go backdoor the negotiations now, but get an agreement in principle with the guy you want before you announce any kind of firing... it won't be the first or last time that a school has already secured their replacement at the time of termination for the existing coach. If the plan is to wait until the end of the season, UGA's almost never going to be the absolute top coaching job open, so waiting for that mythical day is ridiculous.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:33 pm to fibonaccisquared
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We've got to essentially take a stance that a) we're taking basketball seriously and b) we are willing to pay for a serious coach to do so.
kinda sorta yeah but my main point is much more basic than that; it's that fox is NOT the answer so he doesn't need to be here past this season, period. Whether this was a ridiculously deep year for available coaches or razor thin, it doens't matter. The guy we have is not the guy, so he needs to go.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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kinda sorta yeah but my main point is much more basic than that; it's that fox is NOT the answer so he doesn't need to be here past this season, period. Whether this was a ridiculously deep year for available coaches or razor thin, it doens't matter. The guy we have is not the guy, so he needs to go.
I think you and I have been on the same page on this one for a while. With that said, I don't think you move Fox for a worse coach, so there does need to be some level of comfort that at least *A* coach that you want (ie. better than fox) will be available. It's a slim chance that I would say the best option is to roll with Fox for another year, but it is something that you just don't say, "frick it burn it down... oh but our best option is a guy from a shitty HS team."
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
I agree but I don't see any way we're in a situation where we're desperately reaching out to like georgia southern's coach.
With everything we have to offer and let's say a starting salary of around $2M, there is surely some guy out there that will be better for us than fox. Despite fox's recruiting and coaching failures, he just isn't a charismatic, personable guy. That's not going to change this yera or in 10 years. Simply getting a coach that connects more with recruits and is actually likeable is already a step in the right direction before the guy even coaches a game. Surely with the 300+ college basketball coaches out there today we can find ONE that is more promising than fox.
And let's be honest with ourselves, if the next guy isn't that great either what's the worst that could happen? 5 yeras from now we still haven't won a tourney game? Welp, that's gonna happen with fox anyway so what's the harm in trying?
With everything we have to offer and let's say a starting salary of around $2M, there is surely some guy out there that will be better for us than fox. Despite fox's recruiting and coaching failures, he just isn't a charismatic, personable guy. That's not going to change this yera or in 10 years. Simply getting a coach that connects more with recruits and is actually likeable is already a step in the right direction before the guy even coaches a game. Surely with the 300+ college basketball coaches out there today we can find ONE that is more promising than fox.
And let's be honest with ourselves, if the next guy isn't that great either what's the worst that could happen? 5 yeras from now we still haven't won a tourney game? Welp, that's gonna happen with fox anyway so what's the harm in trying?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:22 pm to WG_Dawg
Your a dumbass college student aren't you? You have to because you don't understand a damn thing about investment and how to minimize risk or loss.
The worst that can happen is a lack of stability and our program becoming a revolving door.
The worst that can happen is a lack of stability and our program becoming a revolving door.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:31 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Your a dumbass
C'mon man...
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:36 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Your a dumbass
classic.
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investment and how to minimize risk or loss.
so were you a pro Richt guy too?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:55 pm to DawgCountry
I'm not sure how you got that out of anything I wrote.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:00 pm to DoubleDawg22
you are scared to make a change because something bad could happen
I got news for you. We are bad right now and Fox is a major factor in that
I got news for you. We are bad right now and Fox is a major factor in that
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:05 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Your a dumbass college student aren't you?
I can personally assure you he isn't. I do think Fox deserves to finish the season, and I think you have to find someone better, but this isn't like Richt where you have a relatively proven commodity. Fox has not won a tournament game at Georgia in 8 years. We've been to the tourney twice I believe.
As fantastic as Fox is at developing big men, and being efficient on the defensive end, our cons just outweigh our pros as far as the potential goes. We have zero inbounds play, we can't break a press, turn the ball over too much and I feel like we can never shoot FTs (yes, I know we're much better at them this year).
I'll do a little bit of research on my last comment, but a couple of those are constantly poor.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:16 pm to DoubleDawg22
If you hire a guy that ends up being as bad or worse than Fox, explain the risk to me to the bottom dollar? TV revenue sharing doesn't change, ticket sales sure aren't going to get any worse than they are now, Nike isn't going to up and drop us. There is NO risk in a bad coaching hire when you're already failing to make the tourney
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:18 pm to tylerdurden24
The only real financial risk taken would be if uga decides to sink some money in a new arena in hopes that it will revitalize the program but we don't have the balls to do that a la UVA so it doesn't matter
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:19 pm to tylerdurden24
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There is NO risk in a bad coaching hire when you're already failing to make the tourney
That's not entirely true, because our program could be set back a little bit. I know we aren't making the tourney, but we are at least recruiting slightly better than we used to. Monetarily there's also some risk because you don't want to keeping paying for someone you fire.
I get your point though.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:22 pm to Dawgsontop34
Sure there's risk to the current product being put on the court but in relation to where you're wanting to go as a program that risk is pretty negligible
As for risk on part of the coaching contract, that too is inherent in any sort of coach you bring in: if they suck, you may owe a buyout. If they're really good and move to a blue blood, you may have to pay more to keep the next guy around a little longer. Just the nature of the beast
As for risk on part of the coaching contract, that too is inherent in any sort of coach you bring in: if they suck, you may owe a buyout. If they're really good and move to a blue blood, you may have to pay more to keep the next guy around a little longer. Just the nature of the beast
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 2:28 pm to DawgCountry
It's not at all about being scared it is all about moving forward.
I am not worried about money as Dryden posted. I couldn't give two rips about a dollar sign unless it helps us win. I want our program to move forward and become a consistent contend
I am not worried about money as Dryden posted. I couldn't give two rips about a dollar sign unless it helps us win. I want our program to move forward and become a consistent contend
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