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re: This is the best home schedule we've had since....ever?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:28 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:28 pm to WG_Dawg
Consistently beating the pants off a given opponent, or consistently having your pants beaten off by them doesn't neutralize a rivalry, it only makes it worse. It festers, metastasizes and deepens, but your example of shame felt when you lose to a team you shouldn't doesn't work for the rivalry argument. By that metric, Vanderbilt should make the list, since they squeak out a W once a decade.
UGA is in the unique position of having almost half their games in any given season against a heated, historic rival. Tech and Florida, obviously. Auburn for the sheer history and evenness of the outcomes. Tennessee by mere proximity and geography. For those same reasons, Clemson is a rival, even if they're OOC, thanks to years and years of having played them, but the series isn't close. 99% of the reason that USCjr is a rival, outside of being in the same division comes from the seething hatred we have for Spurrier.
If Team C that has historically been an afterthought on the schedule becomes a hurdle on your schedule due to the influence of the coach that USED to coach and play for Team B - especially when Team B enjoyed a decade of prosperity at your team's misfortune against them - the Team B is most assuredly your biggest rival.
Supplemental - Even though the loss to Central Florida was an outright embarrassment, we didn't go into that bowl game pumped to play them, just because George O'Leary used to coach at Tech. Our hatred for Florida is so deep-seated that their former coach's presence at Carolina instantly made us hate them, too.
UGA is in the unique position of having almost half their games in any given season against a heated, historic rival. Tech and Florida, obviously. Auburn for the sheer history and evenness of the outcomes. Tennessee by mere proximity and geography. For those same reasons, Clemson is a rival, even if they're OOC, thanks to years and years of having played them, but the series isn't close. 99% of the reason that USCjr is a rival, outside of being in the same division comes from the seething hatred we have for Spurrier.
If Team C that has historically been an afterthought on the schedule becomes a hurdle on your schedule due to the influence of the coach that USED to coach and play for Team B - especially when Team B enjoyed a decade of prosperity at your team's misfortune against them - the Team B is most assuredly your biggest rival.
Supplemental - Even though the loss to Central Florida was an outright embarrassment, we didn't go into that bowl game pumped to play them, just because George O'Leary used to coach at Tech. Our hatred for Florida is so deep-seated that their former coach's presence at Carolina instantly made us hate them, too.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:34 pm to VoxDawg
I don't hate South Carolina, I kind of like them. I do hate Spurrier though.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 10:36 pm to deeprig9
I agree about Carolina, but that's my point. Once Spurrier dies on the sideline, they'll go back into the cellar of the SECe, but until that happens, they're on our To Do list each year.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:32 pm to VoxDawg
Georgia Tech is our biggest rival just for the fact that we want to own the state. Put it like this we go undefeated all year and Tech beats us and we miss out on a national championship game even after winning the SEC title. I would be PO and the way the Tech fans act compared to other fan bases drives me crazy. I went to a game there and wanted to punch this nerd right in the throat for talking crap.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 12:38 am to WG_Dawg
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Clemson- starting off with a doosie. Likely at night, possible gameday, revenge factor for last year. Both teams should be in the top 15. An old school rivalry brought back to life.
This^^^ plus SC will be without some key parts from last year! I'm definitely excited!
My biggest worry for this season is the away stretch. The traveling takes a toll and if I'm not mistaken we have a four game stretch??
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:22 am to skipjack_dawg
Google this:
Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate
That doesn't come from not-a-rivalry.
I'm pretty excited about the home schedule this year as well. I can't wait for Auburn between the hedges, my favorite time of year.
Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate
That doesn't come from not-a-rivalry.
I'm pretty excited about the home schedule this year as well. I can't wait for Auburn between the hedges, my favorite time of year.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:37 am to SneakyWaff1es
There are times when I would rather see the nerds drop from the schedule, especially when the demonstrate their love to go after the knees. Is tech a rival? Sure, but a win over UF is much sweeter than that of tech. I wouldn't cry if we never played them again.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 7:57 am to SneakyWaff1es
No one's saying that Tech isn't a rivalry. (At least I'm not). As a matter of fact, I listed multiple ways of looking at UGA vs GT definitely is.
The point of contention for some of us is that we disagree that Tech is our most HATED rival. We have half a dozen, legitimate, organic rivalries. Tech is certainly one of them, but as Spacemen said - a win over Florida is much sweeter than a win over Tech, for sure. I'd even go so far as to say a win over the Gators is more important to a successful season.
Granted, losing to Tech can derail a MNC, but at can happen any year you lose to someone you shouldn't. (e.g. Tennessee 2007).
The point of contention for some of us is that we disagree that Tech is our most HATED rival. We have half a dozen, legitimate, organic rivalries. Tech is certainly one of them, but as Spacemen said - a win over Florida is much sweeter than a win over Tech, for sure. I'd even go so far as to say a win over the Gators is more important to a successful season.
Granted, losing to Tech can derail a MNC, but at can happen any year you lose to someone you shouldn't. (e.g. Tennessee 2007).
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:09 am to VoxDawg
We're getting into semantics but my bottom line was that tech is our biggest rival. I'm sure UGA fans all over america hate certain teams that may be different than other fans, but as far as our #1, biggest rival, that would be tech.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:17 am to WG_Dawg
We need to determine what factors make a team the biggest rival. Is it how long they have been on our schedule - that one should go to Auburn, correct? Just because they are an in-state school doesn't make them our biggest rival...they have no impact in our SEC standings. Don't get me wrong, I hate them more than most SEC schools - but they rank behind UF,AU, and USCe, in my book. But, on the other hand, losing to them sucks on an epic level. Once again, dropping them from the schedule wouldn't hurt my feelings.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:27 am to Spaceman Spiff
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We need to determine what factors make a team the biggest rival
Unnecessary, the answer is already clear cut.
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but they rank behind UF,AU, and USCe, in my book
You may dislike all those teams more than tech and that's perfectly fine. Hatred level will undoubtedly vary from person to person. But from UGA's perspective, tech is our biggest.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:40 am to WG_Dawg
The only semantics I see would be your rationale fueling your argument. Right now all you've offered us is "it just is."
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:46 am to WG_Dawg
I completely agree with you WG, but you come off as if your opinion is irrefutable fact when there's room for debate. This of course excludes the Virginia turd who has only been to one UGA/Tech game; still, there's a pretty strong argument for UF.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:15 am to FinleyStreet
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I completely agree with you WG, but you come off as if your opinion is irrefutable fact
I've said that my opinion doesn't mean anything on this topic, we're talking about what UGA's biggest rival is. That's not something that changes from fan to fan. Different levels of hatred..sure. There's probably 10 different answers across the board depending on who you interact with IRL the most. But a school's rival doesn't change just by the opinion of it's fans. Even if I thought UF or AU was our biggest rival, that doesn't mean that UGA's biggest rival would change.
BUT, since yall want some sort of history lesson, fine. Here's some support for why tech is our biggest rival.
-Started in 1893 (only 1 year after auburn, for those touting longevity).
-Our first football coach recognized how shitty tech was and removed gold from our official colors, because it symbolized cowardice
-We share a state with them. Downplay it all you want but that is big. It's more than just recruiting, we live amongst them. We share our neighborhoods, schools, churches, and sometimes families with them.
-We have polar opposite fanbases. Bama and auburn..those folks hate each other but c'mon..at the end of the day switch out their T-shirts and you'd never know the difference. Tech is elitist. They constantly tout how much better they are and "you'll work for me someday". They are nerdy, socially awkward, losers. Georgia folks are more blue collar, salt of the earth types. Like to party, good with people, hotter women. There is a crystal clear distinction in our 2 fanbases.
-During WWI our boys went to fight the good fight while those cowards stayed home. Afterwards we made a parade float calling them out which led to us canceling the series for a while.
-They are OBSESSED with us to a frightening degree. You think auburn fans are bad? Dear Lord, techies take the cake. They mention dropping a battle axe on our head in their fight song. Their most popular phrase in school history is TO HELL WITH GEORGIA. Now..I know you may say that their obssession with us shouldn't matter from our point of view, but it does. UGA is a big part of my life so I take that shite personally. When you're around a crowd of a few hundred people all yelling in unison "What's the good word?" "TO HELL WITH GEORGIA!" "how bout them dawgs?" "PISS ON EM", it wears on you. It's more than good natured ribbing "tiger bait, go gators, etc", it is genuinely mean spiritied and nasty. They are vile and despicable people. Many times before we play in Athens they print up thousands of newspapers with THWG emblazoned all over it and litter our campus with it. Go to a tech message board and almost everyone will have THWG as a sig/av/whatever. You don't see that with other fanbases. There are many, MANY tech fans who delight more in seeing UGA lose than tech win. That's not an exaggeration. They are a crude and awful group of people that like nothing more than watching us suffer.
-These are the same fans that used to throw dead fish and batteries at opposing teams in Atlanta. Again, vile people.
-In the 90s they painted our Arch yellow
-In 1992 it was our 100 year anniversary and we had our midfield logo painted as such for home games. When their band came out to play at halftime they brought a massive yellow GT tarp and covered it up. You most likely have never heard a stadium boo for an entire halftime performance, but we did that day.
-We RETIRED THE JERSEY of a FULLBACK simply because he broke our 8 year losing streak against them. If that doesn't tell you where tech stands in the pecking order of UGA's rivals I don't know what will.
-They're cheaters. Well the refs I guess, but they benefit tech so whatever. In 1998 when they finally won a game again, late in the game joe hamilton fumbled the ball out of bounds yet it was magically given back to them. They went on to win 21-19. Btw, there was a license plate in Gwinnett that said 21TO19 after that. Obsessed. Also, there was a giant billboard on Highway 78 near stone mountain that someone climbed up and spray painted 21-19. Obsessed. In 1999 they received the benefit of the worst blown call I have ever witnessed. I will not rehash it because it is not good for my health to relive that sequence of events. By the way it was later found that they were playing ineligble players so they technically had to vacate those wins. Cheaters. They are so self righteous and sanctimonious, yet a star player circa 2006ish was caught with like 100 pounds of weed, and if memory serves didn't even get in that much trouble. Cheaters.
-In 1993 we were up by 30 and scored again with under 2 minutes left. We went for 2. Have we ever done that against anyone else? Likely not. By the way afterwards they started a both benches clearing brawl which is still one of the biggest on field melees I've seen in cfb.
-They celebrated, honest to God celebrated, whenever our Ugas died. Made photoshops and everything.
-Most people on here are fairly young I'd imagine, but tech hasn't always sucked. Back in the day they used to get their fair share in and a few times actually prevented us from winning the SEC (which they were a charter member) and one year even the natty I believe.
It's been said, but you don't really understand the full brunt of these people until you lose to them. Any georgia fan who watches us lose in atlanta, I guarantee you will change their opinion real quick about tech. The thing is that now they suck and we win all the time so they mostly keep quiet. But in the 90s when they were good, even though we still won a lot, they were a different group. The last thing you want to deal with is tech being good. You may say, well WG, a lot of what you're saying seems to be one sided coming from their perspective about us. Perhaps. But look at it like this. Say you're in school or something and someone says "I hate you. I really hate you and wish you died". That doesn't reflect on you since afterall it's the other dude saying it. But I mean eventually it makes you really dislike that guy, does it not? Now imagine that happening all the time for 100 years. That is our situation. They are so deeply rooted in literal, honest, downright hatred towards us that you can't help but feel the same way.
Some people want to claim our biggest rival is florida simply because of 1990-2010. Things always look worse when you're losing. Some people want to claim auburn just because it's the oldest and they've been good recently and they're thugs. But when you talk about a long running, century's worth of pure unabashed hatred it is tech.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:20 am to FinleyStreet
Just can't agree that Tech is our biggest rival. The relevance of that game fails to compare to the other big rivalry games.
If you look at the relevance, hype, outcomes, etc of our games in the last 12 years. You would have to say that AU and FL are our biggest rivals.
You could also look at ticket values to prove that point. When is the last time people paid $200-$300 for Tech game tickets? Never? It has happened plenty of times for AU and FL games.
Tech has become the little brother that really wants to beat you. Occasionally, you let your guard down and he does.
If you look at the relevance, hype, outcomes, etc of our games in the last 12 years. You would have to say that AU and FL are our biggest rivals.
You could also look at ticket values to prove that point. When is the last time people paid $200-$300 for Tech game tickets? Never? It has happened plenty of times for AU and FL games.
Tech has become the little brother that really wants to beat you. Occasionally, you let your guard down and he does.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:24 am to RealDawg
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If you look at the relevance, hype, outcomes, etc of our games in the last 12 years. You would have to say that AU and FL are our biggest rivals
A school's biggest rival is eternal, it doesn't change based on 12 year time periods. All that proves is that florida and auburn have had better football teams than tech over that time.
This post was edited on 5/2/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:38 am to WG_Dawg
There we go! Now we can have a discussion. I knew you had it in you, WG. (For the record, you and I usually agree on most things, I've found. I'm just staying after you because I know you can drama a good argument, and you appeared to be slacking on this one).
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:40 am to VoxDawg
really it was just that I didn't feel like typing all that out 
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:46 am to WG_Dawg
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A school's biggest rival is eternal, it doesn't change based on 12 year time periods. All that proves is that florida and auburn have had better football teams than tech over that time.
The question is not whether they are a rival or not. It is whether they are our biggest rival.
To the majority of the current fan base, based on all the qualifiers, they are not.
I would say that probably through the mid '70s they were but not since then.
If anything, the fact that Auburn is an adjoining state, a team from the other conference division, an older rival by date, a team we have nearly an even w/l record with, a game that nearly always has national relevance, a team we actually compete for recruits with, a game the fans pay more money to see, a game with a title of "Deep South's Oldest Rivalry" would clearly sway away from Tech.
You could also say we hate Florida more and a majority of our fan base is willing to drive 5 hours even in bad years to watch us play them.
It has been a bit since 1980. Essentially, none of the kids at UGA were even born then. Looking back since that time, AU or FL is clearly the more important game to UGA.
We can agree that GT is still the biggest rival to a small percentage of the UGA fan base.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 9:49 am to WG_Dawg
I enjoy this discussion, and one point to keep in mind that I assume WG may agree with me on is that a game can be "bigger" but still not be our largest rivalry.
The Florida game is "bigger" than the Tech game in terms of national significance, SEC implications and media attention. That doesn't necessarily mean Florida is a bigger rival.
The rival element is sometimes hard to define, although WG did a good job of it above.
I'll admit that at the end of the day this is largely a semantics argument .
The Florida game is "bigger" than the Tech game in terms of national significance, SEC implications and media attention. That doesn't necessarily mean Florida is a bigger rival.
The rival element is sometimes hard to define, although WG did a good job of it above.
I'll admit that at the end of the day this is largely a semantics argument .
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