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re: So Tony Stewart ran over and killed another driver at a race last night
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:06 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:06 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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The video and audio clearly show he gunned it.
That is just it, you can't say for sure that is his car you hear because the camera is on the other side of the track. As for the video the camera is too unsteady, and is focusing on Ward, to say for sure whether Tony accelerated or not. It looks to me like he had a steady speed until contact.
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This is morbid, but I also think the autopsy will show Stewarts tire was accelerating when the victim went under the car. I believe that is why the body in the video is twisted and mangled the way it was as well.
If an autopsy could show that for sure, and I'm not doubting it can, then it would change things for sure. I'd guess something like that is why they haven't said anything for sure regarding charges yet.
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Without the acceleration the car would have rolled over him and not spit him out like a rag doll, right?
He was probably doing 40-50 mph anyway. At that speed in an open-wheel car, you're probably getting thrown around like that whether they're accelerating or not.
If Sprint Cars had fenders, it would have appeared to have just rolled over him, yes. I would guess that it really would have thrown him like the Sprint Car, but he would have just been thrown into the fender and slammed back to the ground.
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Tragic.
Definitely.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 4:06 pm
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:35 pm to Nicolae
How is some ashsole getting out of a race car onto an active race track to beat up a race car tragic? It is fricking stupid. Like Nascar. And men wearing tight jump suites...
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:20 pm to Peter Buck
Jefferson, you really need to watch the video again ... watch it slow motion. There are some things I noticed in my several slow motion reviews of the video.
1)several cars passed fairly close to Ward as he was walking down the track, none swerved to avoid him as has been contended.
2)The car before Stewart ... #45 .. DID NOT swerve to avoid Ward, but came very close to him ... but never swerved as you contend.
3)Stewart's car was running the exact same line as the #45 car ... he was not higher on the track than any other car. Actually, there were several cars who passed Ward before the incident with Stewart that were higher up on the track than either Tony or the #45. And Stewart's car NEVER accelerated as you say. I'm not sure where the sudden engine roar came from ... but as someone on here noted it could have came from any of the other cars on the track, most likely from one of the cars closer to whomever was shooting the video.
I think this was a very tragic accident that could have been avoided if Ward would have stayed inside his car, or simply not walked down into the line of the moving cars. And I am not in any damn shape or form a fan of Tony Stewart ... to be honest I don't like the dude at all. I met him once down in Daytona, and I thought he was a cocky a-hole.
1)several cars passed fairly close to Ward as he was walking down the track, none swerved to avoid him as has been contended.
2)The car before Stewart ... #45 .. DID NOT swerve to avoid Ward, but came very close to him ... but never swerved as you contend.
3)Stewart's car was running the exact same line as the #45 car ... he was not higher on the track than any other car. Actually, there were several cars who passed Ward before the incident with Stewart that were higher up on the track than either Tony or the #45. And Stewart's car NEVER accelerated as you say. I'm not sure where the sudden engine roar came from ... but as someone on here noted it could have came from any of the other cars on the track, most likely from one of the cars closer to whomever was shooting the video.
I think this was a very tragic accident that could have been avoided if Ward would have stayed inside his car, or simply not walked down into the line of the moving cars. And I am not in any damn shape or form a fan of Tony Stewart ... to be honest I don't like the dude at all. I met him once down in Daytona, and I thought he was a cocky a-hole.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:24 pm to Alapaha
45 was higher on the track than Stewart. As 45 approached, dude backed up to get out of this way. Then after 45 passed, he walked back down closer to stewart's oncoming path.
There's a lot of unknowns involved in this thing. We dont' know what stewart was thinking, what his actual intentions were, etc. What we do know for SURE is that the dude exited his vehicle, wearing black at night, and walked into a frickin live race with oncoming cars. He obviously didnt' deserve to die of course, not by any means, but in this scenario probably 80%+ of the blame is on him.
There's a lot of unknowns involved in this thing. We dont' know what stewart was thinking, what his actual intentions were, etc. What we do know for SURE is that the dude exited his vehicle, wearing black at night, and walked into a frickin live race with oncoming cars. He obviously didnt' deserve to die of course, not by any means, but in this scenario probably 80%+ of the blame is on him.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:36 pm to Alapaha
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The car before Stewart ... #45 .. DID NOT swerve to avoid Ward, but came very close to him ... but never swerved as you contend.
He swerved. And he slowed. Watch it again in real time.
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Stewart's car was running the exact same line as the #45 car ... he was not higher on the track than any other car
Stewart was much much higher. Watch it again in real time.
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I'm not sure where the sudden engine roar came from ... but as someone on here noted it could have came from any of the other cars on the track, most likely from one of the cars closer to whomever was shooting the video
There is a corresponding noise signature for every car that passes throughout the entire video. Please watch again. In real time.
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I think this was a very tragic accident that could have been avoided if Ward would have stayed inside his car, or simply not walked down into the line of the moving cars
Of course. But, i've never heard of someone running and jumping under someones car as a way to get even with tjem.
Bottom Line: Stewart's temper and history.....and the evidence on the video......raise some disturbing questions.......
Sorry. But, that's how i see it. I have no agenda here whatsoever.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:05 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I've watched it several times, and stand by my assessment, as you stand by yours. We will just agree to disagree on the particulars. I do agree with you on Stewart's temper and history, but I don't think that was the issue here.
Buddy!
Buddy!Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:11 pm to Alapaha
Fair enough.
I really think it's almost as simple as dallas said........two idiots playing chicken. I think the kid thought Stewart would get out of his way like every driver in history has done when this happens........and I really think it looks like Stewart thought he'd scare the kid out of his way by not giving an inch.
End Result: one is dead. The other will be tormented for life.
Tragic.
I really think it's almost as simple as dallas said........two idiots playing chicken. I think the kid thought Stewart would get out of his way like every driver in history has done when this happens........and I really think it looks like Stewart thought he'd scare the kid out of his way by not giving an inch.
End Result: one is dead. The other will be tormented for life.
Tragic.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:14 pm to deeprig9
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I have yet to watch the vid. How would it compare to the nick berg video?
It's no big deal the resolution isn't great.
Nick Berg is something I truly wish I wouldn't have seen.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:15 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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two idiots playing chicken
Now with this I can concur.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:16 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Tony made no effort to get out of the way. Maybe he'll plead self defense
Posted on 8/10/14 at 7:47 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Sorry, I wanted to be in this one all the way. Company came over and I had to get out. I'm with Jefferson Dawg on this all the way. I don't hold Tony responsible for intent but I do hold him responsible for irreponsibility.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:33 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I've got to agree with Jefferson on pretty much everything he's said so far. I certainly don't think that TS was trying to hit the kid, but he was definitely trying to send a message to the kid by getting close to him, they were pretty much playing a stupid game of chicken and unfortunately it resulted in a young man's death. I really can't imagine how bad Tony Stewart is feeling about this.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:46 pm to Lord of the Board
After watching the video multiple times, it appears his head got caught up in the tire. Notice the helmet seems to be facing down when the rest of his body is facing upright. I feel that's why the rescue crew wigged out. Hopefully the kid didn't feel a thing
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:30 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Fair enough.
I really think it's almost as simple as dallas said........two idiots playing chicken. I think the kid thought Stewart would get out of his way like every driver in history has done when this happens........and I really think it looks like Stewart thought he'd scare the kid out of his way by not giving an inch.
End Result: one is dead. The other will be tormented for life.
Tragic.
You don't walk on a track with cars running unless you're prepared to get on top of or under one. And you don't rev a car on a dirt track unless you're prepared to get sideways. Unfortunate "incident" where one driver is dead and the other might as well be. Stewart's career is over.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:07 pm to Spunky
Damn Spunk, I think you're right about that. If that's the case then he probably didn't suffer at all and that would explain why the crew freaked out as much as they did.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:35 pm to Lord of the Board
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Damn Spunk, I think you're right about that. If that's the case then he probably didn't suffer at all and that would explain why the crew freaked out as much as they did.
You need to tone it down on some of your alters, it pretty obvious to the intelligent.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:44 pm to Nicolae
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this kid is an a-hole. He got out doing some stupid cowboy bullshite, breaking every rule in the book and being completely unsafe about it. Putting himself in a position for something like this to happen when the racing world has been working VERY hard to increase safety for some time now. Now he does this like a stupid arse redneck and in the process is making EVERYONE involved with racing look bad when it is really just his own self-involved, childish antics that are the reason for this tragedy.
Hey. Check this out...... LINK........
Barberitos, you too..
Start at the 01:05 mark and watch the next 20 seconds or so.........then go frick yourselves.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:32 am to Jefferson Dawg
Speeds are slightly different.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:38 am to Jefferson Dawg
Look, just because I find you on the wrong side of the issue here doesn't mean I don't want an opening slot in the Hunger Games...
This is my first reply here looks like you missed it.
Frick off backatcha!
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Time & Place,
They used to fight in the pits after shite happened and this is a horrible example of why our parents knew better....
Tony has had his share of antics throwing helmets at cars on the track and behavior which without big money NASCAR's blessing would have been curbed in the days of old probably would have cost him all his teeth.
Well now you have the 17 year old who grew up watching all this on TV mimicking his idols and guess what, it killed him dead as well, dead.
Stupidity followed by tragedy a common theme in racing since Ben Hur ran the chariot races in Rome.
This is my first reply here looks like you missed it.
Frick off backatcha!
Posted on 8/11/14 at 8:14 am to BarberitosDawg
It's simply tragic and could have been avoided. One of two things could have avoided this:
1. The young man who lost his life should have stayed in his vehicle.
2. Tony Stewart should have behaved professionally rather than like a hot-headed amateur.
I don't believe TS should be persecuted criminally. I do think, however, the driver's family will most likely pursue civil action.
1. The young man who lost his life should have stayed in his vehicle.
2. Tony Stewart should have behaved professionally rather than like a hot-headed amateur.
I don't believe TS should be persecuted criminally. I do think, however, the driver's family will most likely pursue civil action.
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