re: Seriously....it’s time for CKS to get Smart

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On thing I would have done is role Fromm out with options to pass run or pitch out to Michel or Swift.

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You roll Fromm out towards Jeff Holland and you would have gotten him killed.
It's easy after a game to say we should have done the opposite of what we did, because obviously it would have worked.

Monday morning QB's are always 100% right.

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Auburn threw 2 passes to Kerryon Johnson for 66 yards; he was their leading receiver.

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Those were wheel routes coming out of the backfield. Slow developing plays. Fromm rarely had the kind of time that would have been required to make those throws.

I've avoided making a general post with all my thoughts, but these things definitely would have been included. DL bringing the heat here as usual. There was not a simple solution unfortunately...

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You roll Fromm out towards Jeff Holland and you would have gotten him killed.

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There was nowhere to roll Fromm *to*... AT was getting blown past to the outside, so if you look back, Fromm smartly steps *up* into the pocket to not get raped from the right side several times... the problem was there was no real "pocket" to step into, since the GCG team was getting pushed back at best, and beaten inside when things went worse on passing downs.

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Those were wheel routes coming out of the backfield. Slow developing plays. Fromm rarely had the kind of time that would have been required to make those throws.

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I think these plays would have been there on some of the 1st/2nd down run plays that we dialed up and could have served as a good foil to how the were crashing on the run game... as I recall, they played with their LBs a little further away from the LOS, then crashed them forward to get a bit of momentum to clog running lanes (also making the RPO feel like the run was the better play). In those scenarios, if you run WRs on a clearing path across, and have the RB run the wheel route to the vacated area, it's probably there more often than not. Screens I believe could have worked in a similar manner... run Sony/Nick to the right side, have him chip block Holland along with AT to look like extra support there, then bail out for a quick screen... we didn't strictly need home run plays, we were lacking on 4-7 yard first down plays.

Saw an interesting stat from Brian Fremau who does the F+ efficiency ratings:

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On non-garbage drives vs FBS opponents, Georgia's offense ranks 93rd in % of drives that earn at least one first down; UGA 7th in TD% on drives that earn at least one first down. #BoomOrBust

Offensive data for all 130 teams: LINK

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I would have assumed something close to this actually without seeing it... offensively, when things go well, they go really well, but I just remember so many 3 and outs, was interesting to see that stat actually captured.

With what Chaney wants to do offensively, press man coverage on the outside will beat us if we can't get regularly 4+ yards on first down IMO. You're not going to routinely make 3rd and long plays in press man coverage without putting a lot of pressure on your freshman QB... surprise, that's not how we've been deploying Fromm. It's about managing how much he has to do at any given time... decreasing risk where possible. So as a result, 2nd down almost becomes a must run (this is viewed on average, not every time) to try and make 3rd down more manageable when we get less than 40% of necessary yards on first.

The entire crew is going to have to go back to the drawing boards a bit at this point. The blueprint for stopping what we had been doing is now on tape. The upside... I don't think we can have a worse performance from both LOS in the same game. So you've got that to build around... but you have to have an answer for buying Fromm more time so that when you get a breakdown in press man (Auburn's secondary is not *that* good... they wanna play close, fine. Just have to burn them deep a couple of times early to get them to play off a bit... or use the tight coverage to clear out one side of the field for a wheel route with Swift/Chubb 1:1 with their LB in the open field. Hell... there's no reason we couldn't run a version of the "Convoy" play that they ran with KJ where everything went right, then swing pass to KJ back to the left.

Ultimately, there are adjustments to be made, but I think collectively, our coaches felt the run game would open up at some point... by the time the realized it wasn't going to, we were down substantially and then some compound mistakes like the muffed punt put it out of reach more or less. Rewind back to 9-7 in that game and let Kirby and Chaney call it again and I'd say we see a substantially different approach... doesn't mean the outcome changes... but I do think we see different calls offensively. I think a rematch still favors Auburn after what we just witnessed, but I would be surprised if we were outright manhandled quite like that. Near perfect execution just doesn't happen that often for teams...

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Its not Chaney's fault that they couldn't block the 4 linemen.

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This is literally what I just wrote.

Lol there is, I agree.

However, the players have to play and the players have to be coachable in order for the coaches to do their jobs. Not saying our players aren’t coachable but in this game they didn’t show up mentally ready to play and there was very little coaches can do when this happens.

One of the easiest things to do is to set the edge. Bellamy and Carter have to do this every single time a play tries to get outside. I would bet a lifetime of crispy creek that Kirby, Sherer, and Tucker preach this to them every day and every game. Yet in this game that did an absolutely horrible job of doing this. Several times the ball got outside of them and you saw the result.

220lb back on a 180 lb DB is not good for our defense. 220lb back on a 245 Roquan is. This is the result of not having studs in our defensive backfield or Bellamy/Carter not doing their job but that’s what Gibbs, Lecounte, and co. were recruited for.

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You roll Fromm out towards Jeff Holland and you would have gotten him killed.
It's easy after a game to say we should have done the opposite of what we did, because obviously it would have worked.

Monday morning QB's are always 100% right.

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Valid but you could put 2 TE's if necessary on that side to provide enough blocking. Hell do something to support the crumbling right side. But yea, hiney sight as I call it is always 20/20.

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Those were wheel routes coming out of the backfield. Slow developing plays. Fromm rarely had the kind of time that would have been required to make those throws.

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Also valid but it doesn't have to be a slow developing wheel-route. You could simply have Michel slough off of a block and get 5 yards off right-tackle as the defense pursues Fromm rolling out to the right. Again, just do something to spread out the defense to create some space.

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Is he somehow above criticism?

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Not at all. However, our defense gave up 40 points, but it is the OC's fault we lost the game?

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How in the world did he think he could run bunch formations and continually try to run the A gap
Vs Auburns defense?

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Go back and reread Doubledawg22's post. He actually understands what an offense does and lays it all out there. It is the best post in the thread. Could our offense have been better? but if you give Auburn 40 points there isn't an OC in the country that is going to beat them.
Auburn has scored 40 points 7 times this year. You want to make a guess how many of those games they lost?

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It was one of his worst gameplans along with his playcalling.

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Then it seems Kirby is to blame, too, then. He, as head coach should help formulate the gameplan and approve it.

Look at our page. Criticism on Chaney and none on the defensive coordinator. That's fine, but lets be real. The offense AND the defense has been excellent all year, but let us lose a game giving up 40 points and it is the OC's fault?

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CO OC position

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So essentially you are going to wind up with a power struggle and two coaches arguing over the head sets over the plays to be run. That would be a mess. Kirby is the only one that should over rule any play call.

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Then it seems Kirby is to blame, too, then. He, as head coach should help formulate the gameplan and approve it.

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He does help formulate and approve the gameplans on both sides of the ball.

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Not at all. However, our defense gave up 40 points, but it is the OC's fault we lost the game?

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Both are tied at the hip.You cannot continuously go 3 and out,not move the chains and put the defense in bad field p osistion

Where did I say anything about it being "all his fault"

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but if you give Auburn 40 points there isn't an OC in the country that is going to beat them.

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Lordy,we also gave them extra possessions with stupid penalties and the muff punt.

We were completely undisciplined on defense and had not made those mistakes all year but I have A LOT more confidence in CKS and Tucker to correct the situation than Chaney.

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Both are tied at the hip.You cannot continuously go 3 and out,not move the chains and put the defense in bad field p osistion

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Legitimate point, but the TOP was not THAT far off. Not considering the score differential.

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Where did I say anything about it being "all his fault"

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You didn't. I was simply pointing out that we have threads criticizing the OC and nobody has even mentioned the DC. It just seems a bit one sided, don't you think? I mean, you would think SOMEBODY would bring up that we gave up 40 points.

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Lordy,we also gave them extra possessions with stupid penalties and the muff punt.

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Absolutely right. But the muffed punt is not on the OC, and a goodly portion of the penalties were on our defense. We kept several drives alive for Auburn with 15 yard penalties. Of course, one of the more costly ones was on special teams for jumping on the punt. But we kept 2 or 3 drives alive for Auburn on costly defensive penalties that could have saved us between 14 and 21 points in that game.