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re: OT: Watching 'Making a Murderer'
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:01 am to BranchDawg
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:01 am to BranchDawg
I’m through episode 4. I am as pro-law enforcement as there is, but something is off big time. I watched the interrogation of the 16-year old nephew, where the court appointed attorney forced him to meet with the private investigators and coerced him to make up a story. The kid can’t even define “inconsistent” and has lower than normal IQ. I’m not saying that Avery is innocent, but I’m 100% certain the nephew is being used a tool to prove conviction. Makes me sick
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:10 am to BranchDawg
Haven't seen it but have heard more than a few sources say that there are a number of facts that were conveniently left out.
Just because it says "documentary" don't assume it's unbiased and contains all of the pertinent info.
Just because it says "documentary" don't assume it's unbiased and contains all of the pertinent info.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:27 am to BranchDawg
While its obvious that he definitely was innocent the first time, I think he did it the second time. I think the documentary omitted a lot of damning evidence when they made it.
That being said, the way that the local law enforcement handled the case was completely bizarre. And its awesome watching his lawyers tear that down
That being said, the way that the local law enforcement handled the case was completely bizarre. And its awesome watching his lawyers tear that down
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:28 am
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:30 am to SquatchDawg
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Haven't seen it but have heard more than a few sources say that there are a number of facts that were conveniently left out.
Did you also read where the attorneys involved said that the documentary contained the best evidence presented by both sides? The evidence left out consisted of more DNA and fuzzy hancuffs...not chains and ropes.
Watch it...then consider. It is a well made documentary, no matter what you get out of it. 10/10.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:20 am to HellRaisingDawg
SPOILER ALERT:
The police obviously did a horrible job on this and it really looks like they planted some evidence. I cannot believe reasonable doubt was not evident, nor can I believe some of the Judge's instructions as shown in the documentary.
Some of the evidence that has been left out>>>>
When Teresa was out at the Avery's before, Steven opened the door wearing nothing but a towel and flirted with her. She told AutoTrader that she did not feel comfortable going back out to the Avery's if he was there.
When he called her back out, he used his sister's information as the contact and specifically asked for the girl that came out last time. He also apparently called her cell phone several times using the *67 feature so she would not know it was him.
Appears he was stalking her pretty heavily.
The police obviously did a horrible job on this and it really looks like they planted some evidence. I cannot believe reasonable doubt was not evident, nor can I believe some of the Judge's instructions as shown in the documentary.
Some of the evidence that has been left out>>>>
When Teresa was out at the Avery's before, Steven opened the door wearing nothing but a towel and flirted with her. She told AutoTrader that she did not feel comfortable going back out to the Avery's if he was there.
When he called her back out, he used his sister's information as the contact and specifically asked for the girl that came out last time. He also apparently called her cell phone several times using the *67 feature so she would not know it was him.
Appears he was stalking her pretty heavily.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:34 am to BranchDawg
Lots of things didn't make sense. Dassey's trial was based off his coerced confession of the killing in the bedroom and Avery was accused of killing her in the garage. The recording of the cop calling in Teresa's tag two days before the car was found and his expression when it was played. On top of that , I find it hard to believe he was smart/careful enough to remove all traces of Teresa from his house but he was too stupid to crush the car.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:04 am to boxerbulldawg
And why would he bring the key to the car back to his bedroom?
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:08 pm to Broncothor
All of the Manitowoc County officials seem sinister beyond belief and they never stop lying. Avery and Dassey are totally devoid of guile and can't be seen as evil masterminds. Wisconsin scares me.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:08 pm to HellRaisingDawg
You just hate the police.
Remember, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
Remember, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:44 pm to Rules
You are an idiot.
Edit - Maybe you were being factious. No one can be that stupid.
Edit - Maybe you were being factious. No one can be that stupid.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:54 pm to Whiznot
I dont' care how much evidence MAM didn't show, the point is that what WAS shown is plenty enough to not convict.
For some reason people seem to lose sight of the BIGGEST, #1, OVERALL POINT of the whole system here...the guy is innocent until proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Period, the end. He very well may have killed theresa. I don't know. He could be a very awful and evil person getting what he deserves. But there is asbolutely no way, no how that any intelligent person with zero bias whatsoever would vote to convict based on the case laid out by the defense. I'm nto saying SA is innocent, but as a juror you don't have to prove he's innocent. All you have to do is decide whether there is a reasonable DOUBT of his guilt. And it's simply impossible for a sane, rational being to say that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty.
For some reason people seem to lose sight of the BIGGEST, #1, OVERALL POINT of the whole system here...the guy is innocent until proven guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Period, the end. He very well may have killed theresa. I don't know. He could be a very awful and evil person getting what he deserves. But there is asbolutely no way, no how that any intelligent person with zero bias whatsoever would vote to convict based on the case laid out by the defense. I'm nto saying SA is innocent, but as a juror you don't have to prove he's innocent. All you have to do is decide whether there is a reasonable DOUBT of his guilt. And it's simply impossible for a sane, rational being to say that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 1:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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And it's simply impossible for a sane, rational being to say that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty.
You're promised a jury of your peers....not a jury of sane rational human beings.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 1:35 pm to SquatchDawg
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And it's simply impossible for a sane, rational being to say that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty.
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You're promised a jury of your peers....not a jury of sane rational human beings.
It didn't help him that one of the jurors was the husband of one of the county clerks and another was the wife of one of the county deputies.
His lawyers I thought were very good, but they did him an injustice by not advocating to have his trial moved from Manatawoc(sp?) County.
As far as the Brendan Dassey trial. That was complete BS. They railroaded a mentally challenged 16 year old whose own appointed lawyer basically set him up for the prosecution. Those involved in that fiasco are as guilty as anyone when it comes to taking someone's life from them.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 2:00 pm to WG_Dawg
At the very least, I think he may deserve a retrial... Boy would that get some views on TV if they covered it. Maybe thats been in the works for a while.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 2:12 pm to olddawg26
I think for Murder it's beyond a shadow of a doubt which is an even tougher standard. Am I right? The judge hurt a lot. Remember some of what we saw was not allowed to be shown to the jury.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 2:21 pm to Glory, Glory
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I’m through episode 4. I am as pro-law enforcement as there is, but something is off big time. I watched the interrogation of the 16-year old nephew, where the court appointed attorney forced him to meet with the private investigators and coerced him to make up a story. The kid can’t even define “inconsistent” and has lower than normal IQ. I’m not saying that Avery is innocent, but I’m 100% certain the nephew is being used a tool to prove conviction. Makes me sick
yeah, people can say what they want to about Avery but what they did to his nephew is straight up unbelieveable. no way that kid (now a young man) should be in jail. just wait until you get to the last couple of episodes.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 2:36 pm to Broncothor
And some of what was shown to the jury was not shown to us in the documentary...
Posted on 1/14/16 at 2:54 pm to ladyluckUGA
Brendan had to be destroyed to convict Avery. Avery had to be convicted to stop the civil suit. Teresa had to die to obtain evidence to plant on Avery.There has never been a better window into institutional evil.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:34 pm to Whiznot
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Edit - Maybe you were being factious. No one can be that stupid
HRD would get it.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:21 pm to Rules
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HRD would get it.
I don't see how anyone couldn't. It was as plain as the yearly arse whoopin's we put on Tech.
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