re: OT: Watching 'Making a Murderer'

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shite is biased as frick. Avery is a murderer.

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You'd make a great juror.

One question I have is how did the detective know what kind of car Teresa was drive before she was reported missing?

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Damning evidence

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Nothing new in there. We've already discussed the DNA under the hood as well as the cheap, fuzzy handcuffs. Kratz is a lying piece of unethical shite anyway.

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So you pull for a buncha damn yankees.

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DOH!

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shite is biased as frick. Avery is a murderer.

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What it biased in E3 in the preliminary hearing when the deputy testified that the key was not present in the trailer until after the MCSO Lt. "found" it behind the slippers where it previously was not?

Am I the only person who caught that testimony.

At any rate, you lack intellectual curiosity and would make an excellent democrat.

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that matched to a .22 caliber projectile with Halbach's DNA on it?

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The DNA that was screwed up in the lab and then still presented as evidence? So little DNA that they couldn't tell whether it was from blood or DNA that had been swabbed onto the projectile? That DNA? They also tested for DNA in the entire garage. If it had been bleached as you're insinuating, then why were there other samples of DNA found in the garage. DNA matching Avery, Dassey, and some animal DNA, but none from Halbach except what was found on the projectile. If they had bleached it, then all DNA would have been destroyed. That by itself seems extremely odd.

I really don't know whether he did it or not. He very likely could have. What I do know is there are way too many inconsistencies to find him guilty without any doubt what so ever. I can make presumptions and my own assertions about what happened, but that's not how the system works. You have to know without a doubt that the man did it, and I don't know how anyone could do that.

Holy shite... I suppose a sincere 'thank you' and a corresponding 'frick you' are both in order.

Well worth watching. Very well done documentary. The story is just so unbelievable that you can't help but get sucked in. Very realistic, if underwhelming ending. The wheels of justice are rusty as hell.

My take is similar to a few people here. I cannot say that I know with any degree of certainty that Steven Avery is innocent. Definitely seems to be some wonky underlying things, particularly given some of the left out information. What I can say, however, is that I can't see how any human being with an IQ of 60 or 140 could have convicted him as guilty given the prosecution's case relative to the defense that was put up.

His attorneys were amazing, even given the severe handicapping that seemed to have been imposed by the judge.

The calling in of Teresa's license plate and confirming make and model makes no sense to me. I can't envision a scenario where that's possible without looking at the car after she's gone missing.

The key is ridiculous. Takes them 4+ months to find it in a location that they've searched multiple times, and somehow it magically falls from behind a cabinet to land under slippers. Rather than, uh, finger print it first, they decide to run DNA. And a key that has been owned by Teresa for some time has exactly zero amount of additional trace evidence, including no DNA of her own, but magically has Avery's DNA on it.

The blood in the back of the RAV4 only makes sense in the context of Avery killing her, moving the body to another location to destroy it, then returning both the car and the incinerated body back to his property. Even at a 70 IQ, I don't think you make that leap.

The fire. It is not possible to burn a body to the degree that Teresa's body was in an open bonfire, short of keeping it going for nearly a full day. Top that off with the initial testimony that the fire was only 3 feet high (followed up by the 11 foot claim later in court).

Not to even mention the absolute lack of sufficient evidence to indicate that a murder occurred there. Even if I assume that Avery is a fricking mastermind, that place would have been a freaking nightmare to try and sanitize. It's quite literally a dump, both inside and out. In testing the concrete where they presume the murder occurred (even though that conflicts with the clearly bogus testimony by Brendan) they can't find any of Teresa's DNA, but they find Avery's. Bleach and/or ammonia both would have shown up in their tests if done correctly assuming he "cleaned up the scene".

Overall, far too much to say there is *no doubt* that he's guilty... Brendan got shafted even harder, as it's clear that kid was barely fit to stand trial, let alone give a confession. Fruit from the poisoned tree allowed in, but no appeal granted... Would be interesting to see some kind of proof that the mother was actually invited to the interrogation, as I found that interesting that she made the claim that she was refused access.

Moral of the story. Stay the frick out of Wisconsin. Also, don't piss off the po po... anywhere.

I think that Avery is guilty but the fricked up thing is that he is proof that the system did not work the first time around and there is enough doubt in the public's mind that we will seriously entertain the idea that he was indeed railroaded the second time around. That doubt in the mind of the public is VERY dangerous....and we have ample examples of how fricked up the system is.

The bottom line is that the system favors conviction....only if you do not have the money to buy decent representation....and then the odds of a conviction go way down....poor people confess to shite they didn't do all the time because their defense attorneys are shitty and are paid for by the state...the pressure to accept a plea deal is so intense that it is almost impossible to refuse. Anytiome a low ball bidding state employee in the form of a prosecuting attorney is faced with a real lawyer who earns a living in the free marker, as it were. they have serious problems getting a conviction...take a look at high profile cases where the person was about as obviously guilty as a person can get and that person walks. The system is fricked up and if you can't hire brilliant lawyers anyone can find themselves being thrown in jail for a crime they didnt commit...