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Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:54 am to olddawg26
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first off cut the "pro abortion" bull shite. No one is for killing babies okay?
Not true. What is abortion? If you want abortions then.....
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I don't support careless pregnancy abortions at all, but I also understand there are isolated situations where you and every other talking head needs to leave the decision up to the woman.
You want to nail Floyd down....then nail yourself down. What instances do you think the decision should be left up to the mother?
1.2 million abortions are performed in the US alone every single year. About 32,000 of those are due to rape. Virtually none are to save the mother's life.
Alan Guttmacher said in his book "Abortion Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow" The Case for Legalized Abortion Now which was published in 1967:
"Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal disease such as cancer or leukemia, and if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save the life"
Alan Guttmacher, who succeeded Margaret Sanger as head of Planned Parenthood, probably did more to spread abortion on demand throughout the world than any other individual. Considerable advances have been made in medicine since he made that statement.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:57 am to DawgsLife
What's virtually none? Because I personally knew someone in that situation. And just like Floyd, the experience affected how I view the entire process to this day.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:57 am to olddawg26
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Absolutely. I already condemned careless pregnancy abortions.
I'm not sure what you mean by careless pregnancy abortions. For instance, there is no such thing as 100% effective contraception. If a woman is on the pill, but becomes pregnant, should she be able to have an abortion? It clearly is not her fault she became pregnant.
I guess my other question for you would be....at what point does the baby gain rights? At what point would you say, "No abortion. The baby has a right to life." After birth? Third trimester? When?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 5:59 am to DawgsLife
Yay. a dawgrant abortion debate. more fun than barely legal twins and a handful of levitra
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:02 am to DawgsLife
If a chick has sex and gets pregnant, it's her and the guys fault. No contraceptive is 100% besides abstinence.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:04 am to olddawg26
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What's virtually none? Because I personally knew someone in that situation. And just like Floyd, the experience affected how I view the entire process to this day.
Well, the guy that pushed for abortion said virtually none....so I don't know. When you consider that 1.2 million abortions are carried out a year in the United States.....
Out of curiosity....what was the situation with the person you mentioned that was in that situation?
This is always a hot button issue. My son got his girlfriend pregnant (He married her) and her mother pushed for her to get an abortion. She had the baby, and to this day she has a hard time forgiving her mother. My wife, nor I pushed for her to keep the baby, although, we were very happy she did. Now the other grandmother wants to tell our daughter-in-law how to raise the child she wanted to never be born. Ironic, huh?
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:05 am to DawgsLife
Read back a little ways I wrote a pretty large post explaining it.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:08 am to olddawg26
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If a chick has sex and gets pregnant, it's her and the guys fault. No contraceptive is 100% besides abstinence.
I must admit....that surprises me. I am against abortion in almost every case. I have been thinking about what you asked yesterday. (Is there any case in which I can see abortion being ok) That's an interesting question, and a good one. I honestly don't know. I feel strongly that the baby is human at conception and has rights. At what point do we throw those rights away? However, in the case of rape and/or incest you have to consider the mother, too. On the one hand, the damage has been done and the baby was not at fault, so why punish the baby with death. On the other hand, the mother has been through a very traumatic experience and carrying the baby the result of rape would prolong the pain for another 8 months or so. It's a tough, tough question.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:11 am to olddawg26
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Read back a little ways I wrote a pretty large post explaining it.
I'll take a look. After I left last night I pretty much gave thought to what you asked. However, this is a topic that nobody ever gets anywhere with. Both sides of the issue feels very strongly about their view on the topic. Nobody ever gets their mind changed. I will argue my side of the point for a while, but lose interest fairly quickly because nobody ever gets anywhere. I've never seen anybody get convinced one way or the other.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:15 am to DawgsLife
I think rape and incest is even a questionable call, the only one scenario that I really think everyone should be agreeing on is if there are complications that could severely injur or kill the mother, such as the ectopic issue I stated before.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:20 am to olddawg26
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I think rape and incest is even a questionable call, the only one scenario that I really think everyone should be agreeing on is if there are complications that could severely injur or kill the mother, such as the ectopic issue I stated before.
I went back and found your post! Wow! Tough situation. What makes this argument so tough is both sides tend to skew things to sway public opinion. It's the same with politics, too. It is almost impossible to get an unbiased fact anymore.
Well, as I said...I have had my say and I am now going to get out of this thread. I enjoyed debating with you. Thanks for keeping it civil. I can totally respect your position and we seem to be pretty much on the same page.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 6:23 am to DawgsLife
That's the important thing in debating. If both sides are rational and civil, you end up learning more. I'm out of this thread too. Go dawgs.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 7:34 am to olddawg26
I say we go to one child per family max and start passing out morning after pills like they are viagara.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 7:42 am to grey
this thread is bullshite..but I guess it meets the new topic rules so it has that going for it..
Posted on 1/4/16 at 7:42 am to retooc
This makes me think we should rally the Christian right against Viagra. Surely they agree we should not be creating boners, that's Gods job.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 7:43 am to Leghumper
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this thread is bullshite..but I guess it meets the new topic rules so it has that going for it..
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:16 am to Leghumper
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:19 am to Leghumper
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this thread is bullshite..but I guess it meets the new topic rules so it has that going for it..
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:36 am to grey
* Abortion is a medical procedure, not a crime.
* I'll take right wing religious zealots seriously about abortion once they start caring for children OUTSIDE of the womb by supporting sustenance programs, free daycare for families, supporting education, come out against the death penalty, and stop hollering for wars that kill innocent children. Until that time, y'all are full of shite about your "sanctity of human life" garbage.
* President Obama will be looked at as one of the greatest Presidents in the history of this nation when historians look back on this period of time. From healthcare reform, to LGBT rights, to rescuing us from the edge of a global economic catastrophe, to outsmarting the most obstructionist Congresses any President has ever faced, to making true efforts to combat climate change...this guy has been one of the best. Of course, I live in Georgia and most people in Georgia happily (err, angrily) live their lives inside of the Right Wing media entertainment complex (bubble)that is free of truths, science, and sanity and believe that Obama has been a horrible President. It's amazing just how far out of touch with reality people can become thanks to the media they consume. This will be another thing historians will discuss about this period in time.
* If Trump or Cruz win the nomination, you're going to have a whole bunch of establishment Republicans voting for Hillary. Wall Street would love a Hillary presidency.
* I'll take right wing religious zealots seriously about abortion once they start caring for children OUTSIDE of the womb by supporting sustenance programs, free daycare for families, supporting education, come out against the death penalty, and stop hollering for wars that kill innocent children. Until that time, y'all are full of shite about your "sanctity of human life" garbage.
* President Obama will be looked at as one of the greatest Presidents in the history of this nation when historians look back on this period of time. From healthcare reform, to LGBT rights, to rescuing us from the edge of a global economic catastrophe, to outsmarting the most obstructionist Congresses any President has ever faced, to making true efforts to combat climate change...this guy has been one of the best. Of course, I live in Georgia and most people in Georgia happily (err, angrily) live their lives inside of the Right Wing media entertainment complex (bubble)that is free of truths, science, and sanity and believe that Obama has been a horrible President. It's amazing just how far out of touch with reality people can become thanks to the media they consume. This will be another thing historians will discuss about this period in time.
* If Trump or Cruz win the nomination, you're going to have a whole bunch of establishment Republicans voting for Hillary. Wall Street would love a Hillary presidency.
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