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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:24 am to chillmonster
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:24 am to chillmonster
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China has lifted their quarantine and other restrictions. There is media on the ground that shows this. Initially I thought their numbers were fraudulent, but based on evidence it seems they're legitimate.
bullshite, I have guys working over there and that is the farthest from the truth.
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:32 am to BeefDawg
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No, I didn't. You're talking out your arse and making shite up.
It's not a conspiracy, it's simply PR, PC, CYA, and follow the leader peer pressure/media pressure/public pressure shite.
Macron, Trudeau, Morrison, Merkel, and Jinping didn't have some backroom meeting with George Soros, Jeff Bezos, Michael Bloomberg, Stan Hubbard, Carlos Slim, Time Warner, and the Cox Family, and hash out some devious plan to unleash a virus and exploit it to take down Donald Trump at the expense of their economies.
That's fricking retarded and you're a moron for suggesting anyone is remotely inferring that.
You are clearly so naive to the power of the media it's absurd. I mean, the piece of shite movie, "Contagion", shot up to #1 rental worldwide for about a week, for Christ sake, simply because the media did freaking talk-show panels with "experts" asking if it was actually possible.
If this virus were in danger of killing 20+ million young and healthy people around the globe, then yeah, the steps that were taken would have been justified.
But this thing is going to very likely be under 1 million elderly and unhealthy people, out of nearly 7 goddamn billion. And because of it's remarkable contagion rate and long incubation period, it was never going to be contained, stopped, or even slowed.
Once all the bans and distancing are lifted, and everyone goes back to work, we're going to get hit with another wave. And next season, another wave. And next season, another wave. And it's going to be just another typical seasonal virus with a typical flu level mortality rate.
The proof is in the pudding already. When Trump shut down travel from China and Italy, he was the first to do travel bans, and our media lambasted him as a racist for doing it. Saying he's the one exploiting this "minor virus" just so he can impose his racist bans.
Very few countries had done anything yet, and several of them were parroting what our media said, that Trump was going too far.
But then, when our media flipped it's script and started claiming this thing was a global pandemic going to kill millions and Trump hadn't done enough, only THEN did other countries around the world begin shutting down travel in and out, and following our lead on limiting crowd size/gathering, and ultimately social distancing and non-essential work stoppage.
There was no planning. No conspiracy. It was simply public relations, media/public pressure, fear of cancel culture, and world leaders trying to not be one-upped by anybody in their impression of care and concern for their people.
"You mean you haven't banned travel to/from China and Italy yet to try and protect us from getting exposed to this apparent apocalyptic deadly virus? But that boob of a leader, Trump, has? What kind of a leader are you?"
"You mean you haven't installed a social distancing mandate yet and shut down businesses for 30 days to try and prevent us from being exposed yet? But the US has? Sure sounds like they care about their people more than you do. Maybe we elected the wrong person to lead our country!"
You seriously don't think this type of shite happened or was considered?
The US media is claiming this thing is going to kill millions, and you don't think other media organizations around the world are watching and following suit?
And you don't think other world leaders are listening to world media trot out "experts" claiming this thing is going to be the next plague of history, and look what all these other countries are doing to combat it, so why aren't we?
Right now there are 800,000 confirmed cases (although full testing would easily show tens of millions have it or have had it and recovered already), 173,000 confirmed recovered, and 39,000 deaths worldwide in 3 months.
Even if we multiplied each one by a compounding 3x each of the next 3 months up to 12 months (which would be an astounding growth rate that no "experts" have even predicted), we'd be looking at....
21.6 million cases and 1.05 million deaths.
Barely double the typical flu. So yes, countries around the world have screwed their economies, and we have temporarily hosed ours, for something that is maybe... MAYBE, twice as bad as the typical flu in the worse case scenario.
And you're trying to tell us nothing but "experts" were behind it all and it was totally reasonable, rational, and legit? That world leaders were just following what "experts" told them?
That it had nothing to do with CYA and media/public pressure? Or world leaders seeing us and other countries do something and simply following suit?
SMH, so naive and deluded.
So, to be clear, the Virus Hoax Conspiracy is ONLY with the media, but all the world leaders were powerless to fight the media and then had to cover their asses by crippling their economies, even though this thing is gonna be just a bit worse than the regular flu?
Answer that question only with yes or no.
Then, let’s discuss the proposed fatalities numbers you laid out.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:45 am to HTDawg
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That describes Fox News and OAN even better than the more liberal news networks. Maybe try getting news from multiple sources with multiple perspectives and make up your own mind.
Agree to disagree.
Tucker Carlson is very different from Sean Hannity is very different from Laura Ingraham. And for the record, none of them claim to be news. They are opinion/entertainment shows.
I don't watch MSNBC, but I've been told that they've taken the Fox approach and their primetime slots don't claim to be news anymore. Like Fox, they are opinion/entertainment pieces. CNN still thinks they are news despite their obvious biases. Don Lemon is a fraud who thinks he is serious journalism despite obvious circus acts on his show (John Kasich interview).
If you actually watch "Fox News", then you will see a different tenor and tone to Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham. Martha Maccallum was grilling Kellyanne Conway last week. No mercy. I've watched The 5 a few times and cast members are strong democratic voices (with really good points).
I'm not going to try and change your opinion on this. I can agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:50 am to SneakyWaff1es
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China has been shite on routinely for this whole thing which they may deserve but as a healthcare worker...I'm envious of their PPE.
That's what happens when you routinely have novel outbreaks. South Korea was better prepared as well. Why?
The shite has hit the fan there before this. They've lived numerous scenarios similar to this already. SARS1 was much worse there than here.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:55 am to BeefDawg
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because it had really already been here and traversing the globe since early 2019
You are literally a corona conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:58 am to SneakyWaff1es
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One of these days I'm going to need someone that's a lot smarter than me to explain how more testing really affects anything.
It helps you know when you've actually gotten over the hump.
Red line, actual cases in reality.
Blue line, cases based on shoddy testing.
It can show we are still on the rise when really on the fall, and can extend shutdowns for months longer than needed.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:59 am to Dawgsontop34
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And yet, you’re attacking me even though I’m someone who would consider myself a conservative for literally just saying both sides have been partisan.
You’re proving my point exactly so thank you for doing that.
The dangerous and pathetic partisan rivalry is deep inside his tin foil wearing head. He is such a GOP/trump fan boy that he can’t control his emotions.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:03 pm to meansonny
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Agree to disagree.
Tucker Carlson is very different from Sean Hannity is very different from Laura Ingraham. And for the record, none of them claim to be news. They are opinion/entertainment shows.
I don't watch MSNBC, but I've been told that they've taken the Fox approach and their primetime slots don't claim to be news anymore. Like Fox, they are opinion/entertainment pieces. CNN still thinks they are news despite their obvious biases. Don Lemon is a fraud who thinks he is serious journalism despite obvious circus acts on his show (John Kasich interview).
If you actually watch "Fox News", then you will see a different tenor and tone to Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham. Martha Maccallum was grilling Kellyanne Conway last week. No mercy. I've watched The 5 a few times and cast members are strong democratic voices (with really good points).
I'm not going to try and change your opinion on this. I can agree to disagree.
News has certainly become more of an entertainment enterprise and people unfortunately choose their news sources that feed their biases way too often. Historically, we know as fact how, especially in war time, our news was influenced by forces within our government. It didn't just stop with our own news. Information has a lot of power, but its power is not its own force. In WW2, our news was heavily censored. We had news people on the payroll and some that played ball for greater access. Definitely a carrot and stick approach with patriotism thrown in. Between the big “News” companies vying for Entertainment $$$ and all the grass roots web based, I feel like you have to root through a lot of info to maybe get a perspective on what is going on. If you stick to the sources that make you feel comfortable, well, this thread is living proof....
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:06 pm to deeprig9
quote:I would think decreasing mortalities and visits would also accomplish this.
helps you know when you've actually gotten over the hump.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:08 pm to BeefDawg
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H1N1 confirmed to have killed at least 18,000 in the US.
12k. What day will that be surpassed? Close to Easter
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:09 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Yes, daily new cases and deaths are the best way to determine if you're past the peak.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:17 pm to BeefDawg
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without question been playing a blame-game
There is only one president. The other side always plays a massive blame game when that guy screws up. I am sure it’s been happening since the Roman days.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:27 pm to BeefDawg
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1000 people had died in the US before one thing was done about H1N1
Ok mr partisan hack:
April 15
First human infection with new influenza A H1N1 virus detected in California.
April 22
CDC activated it’s Emergency Operations Center (EOC).
April 26
The United States Government declared 2009 H1N1 a Public Health Emergency of International Concern and CDC began releasing 25% of antiviral drugs needed to treat this new influenza virus from the federal stockpile.
April 28
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a new CDC test to detect 2009 H1N1 infections
CDC issued the first CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending a 7-day dismissal in affected schools and childcare facilities with laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 virus.
May 5
Peak school dismissal day in the spring phase of the pandemic. 980 schools were dismissed, affecting 607,778 students.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:29 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I would think decreasing mortalities and visits would also accomplish this.
It can, but there’s a lag between infections and mortalities because it takes at least a few days between when someone starts showing symptoms and when they die.
Every week counts significantly when looking at the economic impact of the quarantine, so getting rid of that lag would be preferable.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:29 pm to deeprig9
quote:This. Knowing the number of true cases and where they are is how you effectively distribute resources and tailor policies to preventing further spread. Obviously can’t test everyone even in an ideal situation but it at least gives better data for more accurate modeling. All of which would potentially help decrease the length of a shutdown.
It helps you know when you've actually gotten over the hump.
Deaths don’t really help as much because improvement there will lag behind improvement in cases obviously.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:32 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I would think decreasing mortalities and visits would also accomplish this.
Not if people are under lockdown. You could see hospitalization go down, but we haven't actually curved out. because of mass quarantine.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:33 pm to deeprig9
Ulitmately, hospitalization along with mortality along with wider spread testing are all needed as different data sets to get a real understanding of the situation.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:48 pm to deeprig9
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Ulitmately, hospitalization along with mortality along with wider spread testing are all needed as different data sets to get a real understanding of the situation.
Replace mortality with confirmed deaths and I am in 100% agreement.
Some areas are still ramping up.
Some areas may be close to a peak.
It is too early to use percentages other than day over day change on hard numbers.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:58 pm to meansonny
I think even if we had the testing to easily do everyone (which is certainly not easy), we would still be in the same scenario as far as needing to hunker down and slow the spread. Not having more tests does have Us a bit more blind to where we stand, but we have number crunchers getting data on that, so I think the powers that be have a decent idea. We need to get through this wave and hope we can come up with better treatment and preventatives.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:03 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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So you want to make people get tested whether they want it or not?
Allow anyone to get tested. No one said anything about forcing tests.
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