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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:43 pm to TMDawg
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:43 pm to TMDawg
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Theres a big difference due to the time that flu season is spread out over and the fact that covid is much worse about hot spots which has a higher tendency to overload a local hospital system.
Ah, Gotcha. So Mayor of Atlanta says we have no more beds. Can we break that down of COVID cases vs seasonal flu vs other reasons? I guess when 1M gonna die in the next 37 days, 500,000 hospitalized over 4.5 months is nothing. Thanks for putting it into perspective for me.
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Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:44 pm to deeprig9
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Link me to the 42yo, nothing on WSB site about it in any of their death lord ar
You still have hundreds of links to post
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:45 pm to djsdawg
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There will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of Americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what’s necessary to stop the virus
There are viruses among us every day and they dont "stop a normal economy".
Here is what is unique about this covid 19. The cruise ships had active virus onboard up to 14 days after being evacuated. The virus can live on metals and hard plastics for a very long time when not exposed to UV rays. Let's look at New York and the subway system. What better way to spread the virus than an underground tin can where half of the passengers are holding onto metal rails.
Infection doesnt spread as fast in a highway town where every driver is encapsulated in their own isolation zone.
It is foolish to treat different areas the same. Be smart. Evaluate the risk. And adapt. It isnt just the american way. It is the human way. People act like we are on the verge of being wiped out.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:48 pm to deeprig9
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Link me to the 42yo, nothing on WSB site about it in any of their death lord articles.
It’s been pretty publicized. It was even in the NY Daily Post today. They don’t know why she died suddenly, they just know that she was tested positive for Coronavirus and has been dead for 14-16 hours in the house
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:48 pm to meansonny
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Each area is unique and defined by a different lifestyle (no shite). Mass infections appears to hit areas with mass transit and mass gatherings of old people. There are reasons why retirement communities and New York are getting crushed at a different level than other areas. Are you disputing that each area has unique factors?
I am saying this is gonna spread in the big cities and the rural areas too. Big and small hospitals are gonna get overwhelmed.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:51 pm to IT_Dawg
quote:Was answering your question and I’m not the one that said any of that stuff. Zero way 1M will die from this. Carry on with your crusade though. This board is so polarized on this and it’s obvious the people that have zero to do with healthcare or any of this stuff and just sit home quarantined and become internet experts vs those who are actually dealing with these patients.
Ah, Gotcha. So Mayor of Atlanta says we have no more beds. Can we break that down of COVID cases vs seasonal flu vs other reasons? I guess when 1M gonna die in the next 37 days, 500,000 hospitalized over 4.5 months is nothing. Thanks for putting it into perspective for me
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:53 pm to djsdawg
There's no doubt that some lives have been saved by the shutdown but most of those affected are 79 years and older. The death rate for that age group is about 6% which is higher than the death rate of the virus in the U.S.
Your bias against Trump is showing. I just did a quick calculation based on the current Johns Hopkins data:
The worldwide death rate is: 19675/436159 = 4.50%
The U.S. death rate = 849/61167 = 1.38%
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As such, there is no doubt that the U.S. response has been better than most other nations.
And for what it's worth, I say this as someone who is over 65 taking care of my 89 year older mother who is a complete invalid and totally incontinent.
Translation: old age sucks.
Your bias against Trump is showing. I just did a quick calculation based on the current Johns Hopkins data:
The worldwide death rate is: 19675/436159 = 4.50%
The U.S. death rate = 849/61167 = 1.38%
LINK
As such, there is no doubt that the U.S. response has been better than most other nations.
And for what it's worth, I say this as someone who is over 65 taking care of my 89 year older mother who is a complete invalid and totally incontinent.
Translation: old age sucks.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:00 pm to djsdawg
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this is gonna spread
Viruses spread.
You get a blue ribbon.
This will spread with and without an active economy.
The question is if we can hold onto the labor force through this ordeal. Treating metro Atlanta like New York or some retirement home is assinine.
People should be wearing masks and keeping their filthy hands in their pockets. Or don't go out. South Korea was better prepared than America. Why? Because they had SARS not too long ago. This virus was turnkey for them. Hopefully, we will be better prepared when a more deadly virus does hit our shores.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:06 pm to meansonny
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Viruses spread.
You get a blue ribbon.
This one is unique in that it spreads fast and has a higher % of severe side effects that lead to a need to be intubated.
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This will spread with and without an active economy.
The point is to slow the spread.
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Treating metro Atlanta like New York or some retirement home is assinine.
Every place has a limited number of vents. This virus isn’t biased on where you live.
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People should be wearing masks
People don’t have those.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:07 pm to GurleyGirl
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As such, there is no doubt that the U.S. response has been better than most other nations.
Humans evolve faster than viruses do.
Malaria medicine and zpack will stem the numbers even more favorably.
A 45 minute test will stem the numbers more favorably.
The fact that people should be on alert when they do go out (dont lick subway cars) will stem numbers.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:07 pm to GurleyGirl
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So the obvious question: if the Coronavirus is so contagious and so deadly how is that a 4 year is running around playing seemingly unaffected?
This anecdotal case fortifies that young people/children have not been susceptible to the virus.
Either you’re not very smart or you’re being willfully ignorant. No one has said that it is deadly to children; quite the opposite. This is KNOWN and has been since early on (btw, the child hasn’t hit an outcome, yet).
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80% of the cases and deaths have been to people over 65 who have pre-existing conditions.
And yet, somehow, GA gets two deaths under 50, one with no underlying conditions, and both healthcare workers who should know when to get seen. Are you assuming you have no underlying condition? Do you realize most of the populace over 25 has SOMETHING that can be classified as an “underlying condition”?
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3. Because of limited testing, the number of people who have been infected (the denominator in determining the death rate) is likely much higher than the current calculations which means that the true death rate is likely much lower.
We already know this, too.
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I see it as a better situation than what we had with the Swine Flu which killed 1,800 children.
I don’t disagree.
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And I would add that there was no extreme reaction: no school closings, no business closings, etc. in response to the H1N1 pandemic. So there was no devastating economic impact from the Swine Flu unlike what we are seeing with the Coronvirus. And I would contend that the total impact/hardship from the economic disaster will be far greater than the direct impact of the Coronavirus.
Swine flu, as I already pointed out, is being outpaced in both infections and deaths by CV-19. By a LOT. And this is what’s happening WITH mitigation measures in place. When healthcare and medical experts all over the planet tell you to take notice and action, I would argue you defer to them. The long-term economic impact is, as yet, unknown. It will recover. It will take time, but it will be fine. This concern is as much an overreaction as what you think the CV-19 response is.
And this isn’t just about death rates. This is about each patient in ICU needing weeks to recover while many, many more come in needing care. If Atlanta-area ICUs are at capacity NOW.....as in TODAY.....at what point do you think it’s appropriate to act? The problem is that we’re all too self-absorbed to be inconvenienced for a couple of weeks. If everyone would heed the guidance all at once, we might not have things like full ICUs. We’re on the verge of seeing the types of decisions having to be made that many of you think are reserved for socialist healthcare systems.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:09 pm to meansonny
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Viruses spread.
You get a blue ribbon.
This will spread with and without an active economy.
Exactly my point.
There is no "cure" for the flu-like viruses. They target the flu vaccines as best they can for each flu season and the vaccines or more or less effective depending on how well a particular vaccine matches the current most prevalent strains. Coronavirus will be no different. They will eventually develop a vaccine and people will continue to die from Coronavirus each year depending on the targeting of the vaccine. People still die from the common strains of flu virus including H1V1 every year.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:14 pm to GurleyGirl
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such, there is no doubt that the U.S. response has been better than most other nations.
It’s too soon to reach this conclusion, and we do have more ICU beds per person, which helps out numbers.
Due to a lack of strong unified response from the feds, there is Very good chance trump has to give in and shut things down in the near future. His Easter idea is absurd.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:15 pm to djsdawg
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This will spread with and without an active economy.
The point is to slow the spread.
Correct. I dont disagree.
But there are many different ways to slow the spread. No?
People are too simple minded with an all or nothing approach. The goal of 0% mortality consumes people. The goal of government control over every aspect of life consumes people.
Nuance, people.
We are smarter than simpletons.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:15 pm to IT_Dawg
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They don’t know why she died suddenly, they just know that she was tested positive for Coronavirus and has been dead for 14-16 hours in the house
So you’re inferring that it was merely coincidental? You realize how much of a reach that is?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:17 pm to djsdawg
I don't know where you live but schools are closed and all non-essential businesses have already been shut down in our area. None of this happened during the Obama administration in response to H1V1.
There has been one case of Coronavirus in our county and no deaths.
There has been one case of Coronavirus in our county and no deaths.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:20 pm to meansonny
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But there are many different ways to slow the spread. No?
Not to the extent we need. Isolation is the best method we have per the experts, not the simpleton MAGA’s.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:21 pm to GurleyGirl
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There is no "cure" for the flu-like viruses. They target the flu vaccines as best they can for each flu season and the vaccines or more or less effective depending on how well a particular vaccine matches the current most prevalent strains. Coronavirus will be no different. They will eventually develop a vaccine and people will continue to die from Coronavirus each year depending on the targeting of the vaccine. People still die from the common strains of flu virus including H1V1 every year.
You’re correct. People will always die from this now that it’s here. But even when they get the flu strains wrong, there is still a certain level of immunity possessed by those vaccinated, hence why they don’t generally experience the same level of sickness as unvaccinated individuals even when they do get it. The flu vaccine, combined with centuries of exposure to the flu, helps to create some herd immunity, which mitigates the spread. As of this moment, CV-19 can spread to anyone, anywhere as there is no such immunity. Everyone is a vector and this is why it can spread far more rapidly than the seasonal flu. This won’t always be true, but it’s true right now.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:25 pm to GurleyGirl
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There has been one case of Coronavirus in our county
By your estimation, there are far more than that. And it’s not necessarily that they are all mild. Many of them are in their 14-day window and simply don’t know they’re sick yet. You’ll see the number grow very quickly.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 2:33 pm to GurleyGirl
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don't know where you live but schools are closed and all non-essential businesses have already been shut down in our area
School is closed. Take out is still allowed. Lowe’s and Home Depot and wal Mart are packed. I am sure churches are still filled up.
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There has been one case of Coronavirus in our county and no deaths.
That’s coming, but less so if y’all are closed down better than most places.
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