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Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:08 pm to djsdawg
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Wait...what disease do you advocate them to start running sims on right now? Corona was not heard of in October of 2019
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It was a sim of the exact situation we are currently in, a respiratory virus pandemic.
Out of curiosity...why didn't Obama conduct a sim before the Swine Flu epidemic?
If you are going to criticize trump for this why not Obama?
Also, if the sim was already run, why did you criticize Trump for NOT running it?
Here is youre xact statement:
If only Trump admin ran a simulation of this exact kidn of situation in Oct..........
Yet now you say:
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It was a sim of the exact situation we are currently in, a respiratory virus pandemic.
Contradiction much?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:11 pm to DawgsLife
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National Guard deployment across the country is likely within the next couple of weeks, IMO.
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we'll see that the death count will increase by 3,500 in just a few days. It will likely double in about a week
Wow, 2 for 2 on my predictions. I must be really lucky, or there's a basic pattern behind all of this.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:36 pm to DawgsLife
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you are going to criticize trump for this why not Obama?
Because it’s 2020. Stop wasting time talking about a time when Tim Tebow played at Florida.
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Also, if the sim was already run, why did you criticize Trump for NOT running it?
It was sarcasm. We know the sim was run, and it would have made a lot of sense to use that info to improve upon the weakness’ it highlighted.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:40 pm to IT_Dawg
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ust summed up your point in this thread...Goodbye
From an idiot who thinks this is just the flu.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:42 pm to djsdawg
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Because it’s 2020. Stop wasting time talking about a time when Tim Tebow played at Florida.
Oh. I thought you were talking about preparedness in a crises by the President? You weren't? Or you just won't criticize Obama for doing worse than Trump?
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It was sarcasm. We know the sim was run, and it would have made a lot of sense to use that info to improve upon the weakness’ it highlighted.
So Obama ran a sim and Trump should have been prepared, yet Obama did not run a sim for the Swine Flu?
Gotcha!
I love links where criticism is made against a sitting President by the previous administration. no bias here, folks!
ETA
Just to make sure i know the rules, here....
You can criticize Trump for not being locked and loaded for every disaster scenario that did not exist, but we can't criticize Obama for not being prepared?
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:54 pm to DawgsLife
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thought you were talking about preparedness in a crises by the President? You weren't? O
Yes. The crisis we are facing in 2020. The one we essentially ran a sim for in August 2019, and had the full report available in October 2019. That report should have gotten us ready for what we are facing now.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:05 pm to djsdawg
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Yes. The crisis we are facing in 2020.
Right. The one in which a link was given with Obama Administration criticized the President. I merely pointed out that they have very little room to criticize the handling of this crises after they bungled their way through the crises they faced.
quote:Do you believe that was the only crises scenario that was available? Of course it wasn't. If the US got totally prepared for every possible scenario that the human mind can think of then the deficit would be 10 times higher.
The one we essentially ran a sim for in August 2019, and had the full report available in October 2019. That report should have gotten us ready for what we are facing now.
You would think that Obama being so totally prepared for the crises that Trump is facing that he would have been a bit more prepared for the crises that he faced.
Yet, he wasn't. Go figure.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:08 pm to DawgsLife
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You can criticize Trump for not being locked and loaded for every disaster scenario that did not exist,
That's part of the problem with this crisis.
Hindsight is 20/20. Pushing resources in all directions at the first sign of crisis is literally a waste of resources.
It is true that the travel bans were good. And that they bought us time.
It is also true that we didnt maximize our opportunity with our extra time.
The problem is that building hospital space in Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, etc... would be counter productive to the hot spots in NY, LA, and WA.
At first, the lack of testing seemed like a bad thing. But now, the lack of testing seems serendipitous as it didnt waste resources (masks, gloves, aprons/cloths) on a 90% negative infection test.
Should we have had the government shut down GM and Chrysler auto manufacturing plants in January to make more masks? The implications by some of what more we should have done are laughable this early in the pandemic.
There seems to be overreaching and overreacting to the coulda,shoulda,woulda. We are building the airplane as we fly it. We will have small successes and small failures along the way. The great news is that this will better prepare us for a more serious threat (a worse virus/infection or a chemical war).
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:15 pm to RD Dawg
Yep, liberal progressives tend to filter data that doesn't support their narrative. So much for freedom of speech with that crowd.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:19 pm to meansonny
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There seems to be overreaching and overreacting to the coulda,shoulda,woulda. We are building the airplane as we fly it. We will have small successes and small failures along the way. The great news is that this will better prepare us for a more serious threat (a worse virus/infection or a chemical war).
Our country is made up of Monday morning Quarterbacks. People with little knowledge that want to sit back and criticize others after the fact. "They should have....."
I agree with you, meansonny.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:32 pm to DawgsLife
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Do you believe that was the only crises scenario that was available? Of course it wasn't. If the US got totally prepared for every possible scenario that the human mind can think of then the deficit would be 10 times higher.
A viral pandemic is a realistic scenario that should always be taken seriously and planned for, especially after you find major weakness’ in a simulated response.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:51 pm to djsdawg
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A viral pandemic is a realistic scenario that should always be taken seriously and planned for, especially after you find major weakness’ in a simulated response.
Are you saying terrorist flying airplanes into buildings is not a realistic scenario?
How about a Hurricane wreaking havoc on dams and infrastructure?
How about a rogue nation with nuclear weapons?
Or countless other possible disasters?
Which disasters should we plan for and which should we ignore?
Should Obama have planned for the Swine Flu pandemic?
Apparently there were major weaknesses in his response plans.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:07 pm to DawgsLife
Start another thread if you want to discuss those other possibilities that have nothing to do with our current predicament. This is the Covid 19 thread.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:17 pm to djsdawg
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Start another thread if you want to discuss those other possibilities that have nothing to do with our current predicament. This is the Covid 19 thread.
Why are you ignoring his point?
You're smart enough to pick up what he is putting down.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:41 pm to meansonny
I don’t know of any other war game reports to discuss. I don’t know what those reports indicated. We do know of this war game and we do know what the report indicated, and we just so happen to be living it right now. The lockdowns are about to expand as this illness spreads.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:45 pm to djsdawg
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Start another thread if you want to discuss those other possibilities that have nothing to do with our current predicament. This is the Covid 19 thread.
They are all related. You keep making a point about a scenario the Obama admisitration ran, therefore Trump should have been prepared.
I am makign the point that no President can possibly be prepared for every single scenario. I named several scenarios/disasters that have actually occured in our country and none had the results mitigated by any amount of preparedness?
The question is why?
Was it that scenarios rarely play out as expected?
Maybe playing "war games" simply is not a good indicator when it comes to actual emergencies?
Fact is, some mistakes have been made now and some mistakes were made then.
But you want to make this a political point while ignoring the failures of your preferred party.
The truth is....nothing could have prevented what we are going through right now. the entire world is suffering and yet, some people want to turn this into a "Trump thing."
You want to know how to avoid disasters? You can't. Thread ended. Go down the list of disasters we have faced over the years an no amount of preparedness or supposed preparedness stopped the sufferings these disasters caused.
not:
9/11
Katrina
Swine Flu
Covid-19
I don't understand why you refuse to discuss Obama's shortcomings and failures in a crises but want to fixate on this one. Yes, we are currently in the middle of this one, but it's not like all of your platitudes and finger pointing is going to solve anything or change anything.
Come back and talk to us when the death toll reaches the levels of the Swine Flu.
By the way. What exactly did Obama do to stem the Swine Flu deaths and misery? Oh, I forgot. He gave a pretty speech.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:49 pm to DawgsLife
Trump was criticized for downplaying the seriousness of this pandemic by telling the American people not to panic. Yet, here is what Obama was saying at about the same point:
Obama on Swine Flu
So again. How was Trumps response different from Obama's? With all of the technology Obama had at his disposal, why was he not prepared?
Let's pay no attention to Obama's failures and magnify Trump's, because...well, Trump is Republican.
Obama on Swine Flu
So again. How was Trumps response different from Obama's? With all of the technology Obama had at his disposal, why was he not prepared?
Let's pay no attention to Obama's failures and magnify Trump's, because...well, Trump is Republican.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:52 pm to djsdawg
Plug in any administration in this situation and we probably would be about where we are. But it's just stupid to point the finger of blame right now.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:57 pm to djsdawg
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From an idiot who thinks this is just the flu.
Rand Paul, who had absolutely no symptoms at all, got tested because of his travels and interactions...turns out to be positive.... You are right, it is MUCH less than the flu. People getting tested now just to test and are positive despite not feeling a bit ill. Congrats media, you have created this monster
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