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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:50 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:50 pm to BeefDawg
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However, anyone with a brain can see that they either stopped/slowed testing for flu, OR they started classifying more people who were sick with CV-19 rather than the flu.
Specifically Anyone with a brain programmed to downplay Covid cases via the conspiracy theory cortex imbedded in their head.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:54 pm to djsdawg
Kemp and Trump have angered the troop.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:11 pm to djsdawg
quote:Can you explain how there is a 34% increase in flu cases from 2017-18 season, which was already the highest number of cases in 50+ years?
Specifically Anyone with a brain programmed to downplay Covid cases via the conspiracy theory cortex imbedded in their head.
Prior to all this mess, the CDC predicted a mild-average flu season based on their usual models.
How did they get it so wrong by such an obscene factor?
And if this flu season was truly the worst since 1918, how in the world did it fall off a cliff the moment CV-19 test kits were sent out?
Social distancing worked against the flu, to a degree it dropped to less than 5% of the norm, but not CV-19 cases, as they obviously went through the roof?
Is that your argument, or do you think it was something else... like magic?
Please, explain what the non-programmed to downplay brain says it is.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:49 pm to dawgfan24348
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Muh whataboutism, it was wrong when Obama did it and it's wrong when Trump did it.
What? Who did Trump bomb?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:57 pm to Whiznot
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Richard Epstein Can’t Stop Being Wrong About the Coronavirus
Never heard of him before...but hasn't pretty much everybody been wrong about it? I mean the "experts" who are "scientists" have changed their projections almost on a weekly basis. It's not like his being wrong is unique.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:09 pm to dawgfan24348
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2018 Syrian Missile Strikes
They were violating International law by using chemical agents
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Afganistan Bombings
Ongoing conflict. Been there forever (18 years? Something like that)
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Trump Drone Strikes
Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama’s numbers
No. The left doesn't use whataboutisms.
Of course, Obama killed American citizens with his drone strikes.
quote:Did you read the article? Obama ordered the drones to strike the American targets, Trump did not order it. They were unfortunate (horrible) casualties of a strike gone wrong. BIG difference.
Obama Killed A 16 Year Old American, Trump Killed An 8 Year Old American
quote:Okay. I thought we were talking about bombing and not arms deals. Every President that has been in office has made arms deals with different allies. And, by the way...Obama made similar deals with the Saudis...you are aware of that, right? Think any of them were used in Yemen?
Let's Not Forget Trump's Big Time Weapons Deal With SA
Now...if you want to talk about that, we can discuss Gun Walker in which Obama gave the go ahead to allow weapons to cross over to drug cartels in Mexico, then the guns were used to kill DEA Agents.
Obama administration arms sales offers to Saudi top $115 billion: report
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:39 pm to DawgsLife
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They were violating International law by using chemical agents
That was never proven regardless we still shouldn't have been there
And if you believe the report that they used them I got some WMDs to sell ya in Iraq
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Ongoing conflict. Been there forever
Is Trump not able to have us leave
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The left doesn't use whataboutisms.
Of course, Obama killed American citizens with his drone strikes.
I'm not using whataboutisms,I'm acknowledging Trump is doing it
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And, by the way...Obama made similar deals with the Saudis...you are aware of that, right? Think any of them were used in Yemen?
Now...if you want to talk about that, we can discuss Gun Walker in which Obama gave the go ahead to allow weapons to cross over to drug cartels in Mexico, then the guns were used to kill DEA Agents.
And then you end with a whataboutism of your own real nice
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:27 pm to deeprig9
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Kemp and Trump have angered the troop.
Trump said he doesn’t agree with kemp’s decision. Must be quite the conflict for your little dig brain.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:46 pm to djsdawg
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Trump said he doesn’t agree with kemp’s decision
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:51 pm to djsdawg
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Trump said he doesn’t agree with kemp’s decision. Must be quite the conflict for your little dig brain.
Why is there a conflict? Unlike you, we can agree or disagree with our President and still support him as our President. Unfortunately for you sheep and those suffering from TDS, we still stand by our President and his opinion to listen to the CDC, despite his disagreement with our Governor, who is doing what he believes is best for Georgians.
There is nothing in what Kemp is doing that says businesses have to open...it is their choice and the consumers choice to go out
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:52 pm to BeefDawg
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you explain how there is a 34% increase in flu cases from 2017-18 season, which was already the highest number of cases in 50+ years?
I understand that social distancing made a huge difference in flu testing numbers. You want to claim some conspiracy theory made the difference. Classic beef brains.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 9:15 pm to djsdawg
quote:What in the blue frick does social distancing that began in March have to do with flu cases being up 34% over the worst flu season in generations?
I understand that social distancing made a huge difference in flu testing numbers. You want to claim some conspiracy theory made the difference. Classic beef brains.
Also, there’s no freaking way that social distancing caused the worst flu season in a hundred years to drop to less than 5% of the norm virtually overnight as CV-19 cases were going up at the same time.
That is such asinine logic and beyond stupid.
Social distancing isn’t some magical spell that chose to stop the flu instantly while CV-19 got the green light to increasingly spread, you frickin moron.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 11:40 pm to djsdawg
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Trump said he doesn’t agree with kemp’s decision. Must be quite the conflict for your little dig brain.
Probably not much of a conflict because Trump was supporting states to reopen (and encouraging anti-shutdown protests) for the last week and a half. How come he supported Kemp only a couple of days ago and then flipped yesterday? Did he really change his mind?
Trump has repeatedly expressed contradictory positions and made false statements [ More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug touted by Trump ] since the start.
He has to position himself to take credit for whatever works and put blame off on anyone else (governors, public health experts) for whatever goes wrong. Election year politics combined with his personality.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 12:02 am to DubyaDee40
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Please keep this number handy
Suicide prevention hotline? Nah. I get more of a Cesar Sayoc kind of vibe.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 12:08 am
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:20 am to dawgfan24348
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They were violating International law by using chemical agents
That was never proven regardless we still shouldn't have been there
And if you believe the report that they used them I got some WMDs to sell ya in Iraq
Crap dude. Was it you who said even if you had proof it wouldn't matter because the other poster wouldn't believe it anyway?
US strikes three Syrian sites in response for chemical attack
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Ongoing conflict. Been there forever
Is Trump not able to have us leave
You should also keep in mind that we were not bombing Afghanistan per se. We were bombing the insurgents. And it was in support of the government. If we picked up and just left the government would collapse.
quote:The article specifically was about Trump using it more.
I'm not using whataboutisms,I'm acknowledging Trump is doing it
"Sure Obama used drones to kill people, but Trump does it more!"
That isn't a whataboutism?
quote:I never claimed to not use whataboutisms. They are valid. It points out the hypocrisy of the left or right. You complain about something that your own favorite side did, while you said nothing when it was in your favor.
And then you end with a whataboutism of your own real nice
However....we really should stick with the Corona Virus debate. I've led us off topic again.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 5:43 am
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:30 am to Lucius Clay
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Trump has repeatedly expressed contradictory positions and made false statements [ More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug touted by Trump ] since the start.
The whole medical community has.
"stopping travel to and from China won't do any good!"
"Stopping travel to and from China probably saved lives!"
"Go out and live your normal life.
"Hunker down and shelter!"
"Look at all the people that will die!"
"This has not been as bad as we thought!"
I mean everybody has been saying stuff and then backtracking. It would be silly to give out information thought to be good, then find out it was not good information, then continue to give that same bad information out. It is a continual adjustment when dealing with situations and especially a Pandemic started by an unknown pathogen.
In fairness this was his early quotes on hydroxychoroquine:
"It's been around for a long time, so we know if things don't go as planned it's not going to kill anybody…It's shown very, very encouraging early results, and we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."
And since at least one study has come back negative, he has since encouraged caution.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 5:37 am
Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:58 am to Lucius Clay
quote:So I sent this "study" to one of my clients who's a doctor at Emory, and here was her take...
[ More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug touted by Trump ]
This wasn't an experimental study with control groups, it was an after-the-fact statistical analysis with significant amounts of limiting factors, lack of information, and no gauge/variable for severity level of pre-existing conditions.
They basically went back and looked at 368 male patients, 97 (group-A) of which took HC (Hydroxychloroquine) by itself, 113 (group-B) that took HC + AZ (Azithromycin), and 158 (group-C) that took nothing.
And in those groups, the death numbers were 27, 25, and 18 respectively.
They used some regression algorithms to "estimate" severity of illness based on ventilator usage (of which there was barely any) and lab results, and "randomized" additional underlying factors that might have contributed to the deaths (huh? sounds like they guessed some things?), but admit they have no idea the level or severity of underlying factors in each person.
She said one of the things that stood out to her was every single person was over the age of 59 and had multiple severe pre-existing conditions, of which it is impossible to know the severity of those conditions and how much they exacerbated the illness or were exacerbated by the illness.
19% of group-A were smokers
26% of group-A had congestive heart failure already before contracting CV-19
23% had chronic pulmonary disease
26% had renal disease
31% had diabetes with complications
18% had cancer
And there's about 15 other noted pre-existing conditions with varying percentages. This means that virtually every one of the 368 people had multiple serious pre-existing conditions.
She said the biggest thing that stood out to her was that the people who were getting HC in this analysis were getting massively over-prescribed doses. Anywhere from +4.5x to +17x the normal dosage of HC that is recommended to patients with rheumatoid and lupus. So she is not surprised they had some negative results, especially in the patients with pre-ex heart and renal conditions.
She said at her hospital right now (Emory), they are giving a fraction of the dosage mentioned in this study, staying in line with recommended dosages for rheumatoid patients, and are having noticeable success with it. They also have significantly more people on ventilators and points out that this study must have been done when ventilators were in limited supply, and this is also certainly a factor.
She noted that group-C, which received no HC and had fewer deaths, had access to more ventilators than the other 2 groups(combined), too.
Anyway, take that as you will. It's perplexing that the VA has used such extreme dosages of HC. Government quality doctors, I guess.
And really, it's not surprising that the group that didn't get over-dosed and received more ventilator access had fewer deaths.
There's dozens of studies out there that say HC+AZ has been noticeably successful at treating CV-19, so one "study" with some bunk stats, doesn't cancel that out.
Hell, the anti-Trump democrat Governor of Minnesota admitted she was on her death-bed and thought she was going to die any second, but then she heard Trump mention HC, so asked her doctor to give it to her, and within 24 hours she was nearly back to normal. And she says it's 100% thank's to Trump.
But whatever. You got your agenda and you're clearly stickin to it.
In your mind, one study of 368 men with droves of pre-existing conditions already apparently cancels out dozens of others and a slew of doctors and medical professionals who contradict it.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 10:16 am
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:12 am to DawgsLife
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Crap dude. Was it you who said even if you had proof it wouldn't matter because the other poster wouldn't believe it anyway?
So do you just believe anything that helps Trump? Assad using chemical weapons makes about as much sense as Saddam having WMDs
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If we picked up and just left the government would collapse.
And that's our problem how? We need to stop fricking around in the middle east
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That isn't a whataboutism?
That's not my point, that's the article's point. But please keep deflecting to protect your dear leader.
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They are valid.
No whataboutism is just people deflecting points made against their side or candidate.
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You complain about something that your own favorite side did, while you said nothing when it was in your favor.
Now you're just making shite up, I've stated before how wrong Obama was and I will give Trump the same shite I gave Obama.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:12 am to IT_Dawg
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Why is there a conflict?
Because one supports Georgia opening and the other doesn’t. That’s a legit conflict of interest that should bother those suffering both TWS and “let me in my Applebee’s!” Brain rot.
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