re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

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Or we can focus on ourselves and improving our own country. We don't have to pick any battle.

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I can only assume you felt the same when Obama bombed 7 different countries? Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan,Somalia, Libya and Pakistan?

Remind us again what he did to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize and why he didn't bomb Russia, north Korea Venezuela, etc?

Countries bombed by the U.S. under the Obama administration-CNN

25,000 Missing Deaths:
Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Crisis

We are under testing and under counting. All cause excess mortality is how pandemics are ranked.

if anything the totals are actually overcounted I would guess. funding is tied to COVID deaths so people are more likely to say someone died from covid than to actually bother to find out what killed them. If someone has a heart attack but also tested positive for CV, they get put in the CV category even though the heart attack probably had nothing to do with the virus

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We are under testing and under counting. All cause excess mortality is how pandemics are ranked.

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Actually they are over-counting the shite out of CV cases.

Just for example, check out the New York State Flu Tracker: LINK

This is the number of cases of the flu reported to the NYS Health Department each year.

Just look at "Compare with Previous Seasons" tab.

This is another clear indication that CV-19 was here in the US much earlier than they admit. CV-19 cases were clearly being classified as the flu in November and December.





All the way back to week 40 of 2019, which was the middle of October, very strangely the number of reported flu cases was nearly double EACH WEEK from the same week the previous 3 years/flu seasons.

And by week 49, which was the middle of December, it was nearly triple.

Then, as we get closer to the quarantine/social distancing/lockdown mandate, which began the first week of March, suddenly the flu number in New York plummet to less than 15% of the previous year.

By week 15 (April 5th-11th), flu cases are now 4.3% of what they were last flu season.

In other words, they are quite obviously calling flu deaths, CV-19 deaths, by a massive margin.


But you go on getting your info from the New York Times. There's clearly no agenda there.

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don't address points that are made up and lied about.

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I simply provided real trump quotes that are misleading at best. You spend time trying to twist them into reasonable and not misleading. Then, you resort to false accusation of me lying, while claiming I am the desperate one? Your TWS seems to be getting worse over time.

Here is the point you refuse to acknowledge:

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The whole point is you shouldn’t have to do that, and most people don’t have the time to do so. Since that is true, it very important for the leader to use clear, concise, accurate and certainly not contradictory words.

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You should check out the twitter hashtag "filmyourhospitals" and watch people drive by and go into their local ER's and they are empty, and they post the videos. Some in NYC too... not just bumbledick Iowa.

It's very eye opening. These hospitals are not getting overwhelmed. Albany did. That's the only confirmed "overrun" in the whole country.

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I don't usually post on this board. I'd much rather lurk, but I feel like I need to point out a flaw in your logic.

Flu tests have been readily available for decades, and only take, at most, 15 minutes to perform. If a doctor is not able to get a positive flu reading, they don't call it the flu even if the symptoms match up. The flu test is so good that they can determine what type of flu it is in a very short amount of time.

In other words, your conspiracy theory that flu deaths are actually covid 19 deaths is not proven by any scientific data.

It's entirely possible covid-19 was here sooner than we thought as testing at the time was very limited, but that's conjecture at this point and has no basis in scientific fact.

I think the more interesting take away from the stat you posted is that social distancing does, in fact, work as evidenced by the drop between weeks 12 and 13 (Mar 16th).

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You're missing the obvious crux of the data.

Yes, the flu test is near foolproof. And all these people were lab-tested and confirmed to have the flu.

But the VAST MAJORITY of people in this country already have antibodies to the flu and are asymptomatic to it every year. Nearly every strain, too.

CDC estimates that between 60-100 million people get the flu each year, but only a fraction of that actually get sick, and only a smaller fraction of that get sick enough to go to the hospital, and only a tiny fraction of that get so sick they die.

So what clearly happened this season is people had both the flu AND CV-19. And they would normally have not had to go to the doctor for the flu, but they went in anyways because they were very sick. But they weren't very sick from the flu (which most normally aren't), they were very sick from CV-19, which the doctors obviously weren't testing for back then. So they called every case a flu case back then. While now, they're calling nearly every case a CV-19 case.

There is no explanation why we would have had such a drastic increase in people going to the hospital, and then suddenly having such an absurd dropoff that less than 5% of people suddenly had the flu.

And you can't blame it on the quarantine because anyone in NYS who had as much as a slight sniffle, sneeze, or cough has been going to the doctor there.

The difference now is, they are testing for SARS CoV-2 (COVID-19) first, and when those people test positive, they aren't wasting their time to test them for the flu.

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Do you want to be educated?

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I do. Educate me.

I'm ready.

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Dude is doing a 30 min-1 hour press briefing HIMSELF nearly every day on CV-19.

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That’s proof of his narcism, and these briefings make him look bad as he often says things that are absurd and/or stupid. He should listen to his advisors who don’t think he should be doing them so often.

So Obama had a problem with Fox News. Shocker. That’s a terrible news network as Covid has proven. Did he do briefings and look like a buffoon by calling them fake news and refuse to answer legit questions by claiming that are mean and hurtful?