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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:38 am to Whiznot
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:38 am to Whiznot
quote:It’ll be even more complicated by the inevitable decrease in traumatic deaths, murders, etc due to the isolation that’s occurring
Eventually we will be able to compare the history of total yearly US deaths for the past few years to 2020 deaths. The difference will be mostly due to covid19 disease.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:41 am to DawgsLife
quote:It’s usually secondary bacterial pneumonia that kills people with the flu. But a majority of them wouldn’t have gotten that pneumonia and usually not nearly as serious without the flu.
A: Absolutely. The flu can become pneumonia. In fact, about one-third of all pneumonia cases in this country are caused by respiratory viruses, most commonly influenza.
Hopefully this does raise awareness about the yearly flu (not in a shut down the country way but just using basic common sense and hygiene kind of way) because the flu can be a lot worse than how people typically blow it off. People also usually think they have the flu when they’re mildly ill and they don’t have the flu.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:41 am to TMDawg
Related Question - If they distribute the blood test to milions of people to look for immunity, will they be able to keep the DNA of these millions for criminal investigations? I hope so in the fine print somewhere.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:48 am to meansonny
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Death and taxes. They are about all that you can count on.
Yes. I mentioned my heart problem I had 12-13 years ago....my wife was shocked. I had 99% blockage in one artery, and they put 2 or 3 stints in.
The doctors asked if I smoked? No. Drink? No. History of Heart Disease in your family? No. Hmmmm....I don't understand. Do you have any stress in your life? "Oh, yeah! My job.!" that was the only thing they could attribute it to. My cholesterol was good. My blood pressure was fine. Just stress.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:50 am to TMDawg
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But a majority of them wouldn’t have gotten that pneumonia and usually not nearly as serious without the flu.
May be true, but if I understood that article, only a third of people from Pneumonia got the flu first.
Now, if you go to another article the numbers might be different. I'm not sure there are any rock solid numbers anywhere about diseases.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:55 am to Broncothor
DNA being stored in a big database like that could be a bad idea. I’d be worried insurance companies etc would find a way to get ahold of it somehow.
The blood test will also look for antibodies rather than DNA. The acute infection test looks for viral RNA to detect acute infection whereas immunity test looks for antibodies indicating you’ve been exposed and developed and immune response.
The blood test will also look for antibodies rather than DNA. The acute infection test looks for viral RNA to detect acute infection whereas immunity test looks for antibodies indicating you’ve been exposed and developed and immune response.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:56 am to TMDawg
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I’d be worried insurance companies etc would find a way to get ahold of it somehow.
I'm curious as to why you say this?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:59 am to DawgsLife
quote:I was referring to it more as what is the cause of death and how to attribute it. Meaning it’s not usually the flu that kills people but rather complications like secondary bacterial pneumonia. But that bacterial pneumonia flourished because of damage from the flu to begin with. Similar to how the accounting for Covid deaths is under question, this isn’t the first time there isn’t a clear cut answer.
May be true, but if I understood that article, only a third of people from Pneumonia got the flu first.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:02 am to meansonny
quote:Say insurance companies could identify those with certain high risk genetics before there are any manifestations. But that would make said person very very expensive to insure in the near or even distant future. That could essentially be treated as a pre-existing condition and could be problematic. Sure health insurance companies aren’t supposed to do it but how about life insurance, etc?
I'm curious as to why you say this?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:11 am to deeprig9
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guess you want me to post copies of some death certificates of my family members who have died that prove this? Go frick yourself. Anyone with half a brain or any true life experience already knows this
Knowing the lying POS you and others with TWS are, yes, let’s see it. If that happened, the doctor messed up. Flu induced pneumonia is in fact a flu related death.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:12 am to Crowknowsbest
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NYC is a breeding ground for all sorts of infectious disease.
A giant leap of a coincidence doesn’t prove my assumption isn’t safe.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:14 am to TMDawg
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insurance companies could identify those with certain high risk genetics before there are any manifestations. But that would make said person very very expensive to insure in the near or even distant future. That could essentially be treated as a pre-existing condition and could be problematic. Sure health insurance companies aren’t supposed to do it but how about life insurance, etc?
Health insurance companies dont underwrite anymore.
A smoker gets the same rate as a nonsmoker (thanks to affordable care act). Men get same rates as women.
As for life insurance, every company underwrites differently. I dont know if you care or not, but the more information compiled by a life insurance company, the more affordable their best rates are. I'm sure companies already underwrite based upon DNA (but you volunteer for the swab to get the better rate).
I dont think insurance companies should ever get information unethically. But it is a fools effort to think that an insurance company doesnt have vast qualities of data already at their disposal (read the 100 page disclosures)
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:16 am to TMDawg
Question for discussion-
As of today's DPH data release (noon), 0.3% of GA's population has been tested. 28% have tested positive.
We know that the vast majority of those tested have been people with significant symptoms.
We know that many more people with moderate or no symptoms are not being allowed to test.
Those people are all still interacting with their households. And many of those households are essential workers at grocery stores, doctors offices, vet clinics, Lowes, restaurants, delivery services, auto repair, all the stuff not locked down, still doing business with the public.
Is it safe to say at least 50% of the Georgia population has been exposed, and probably infected at this point?
As of today's DPH data release (noon), 0.3% of GA's population has been tested. 28% have tested positive.
We know that the vast majority of those tested have been people with significant symptoms.
We know that many more people with moderate or no symptoms are not being allowed to test.
Those people are all still interacting with their households. And many of those households are essential workers at grocery stores, doctors offices, vet clinics, Lowes, restaurants, delivery services, auto repair, all the stuff not locked down, still doing business with the public.
Is it safe to say at least 50% of the Georgia population has been exposed, and probably infected at this point?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:18 am to meansonny
quote:And this wouldn’t affect a majority of people and those who chose to provide it to companies voluntarily can/could benefit. My problem is I think anything with a database like that would have a high likelihood of being misused.
I dont know if you care or not, but the more information compiled by a life insurance company, the more affordable their best rates are. I'm sure companies already underwrite based upon DNA (but you volunteer for the swab to get the better rate).
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:19 am to TMDawg
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The blood test will also look for antibodies rather than DNA
I realize that, but the DNA is right there. I can't see our government passing on an opportunity to gather the DNA of millions of people. Even if criminals purposely don't give, their relatives might.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:33 am to TMDawg
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And this wouldn’t affect a majority of people and those who chose to provide it to companies voluntarily can/could benefit. My problem is I think anything with a database like that would have a high likelihood of being misused.
There isnt a US life insurance company that will underwrite a policy without accessing the Medical Information Bureau. This is why I dont see your fear as rationalized. Every doctor's visit and every script is already visible to underwriting. You cant get an individual policy without allowing this.
It is like trying to get car insurance from an insurance company who will not look at your driving history.
Unless a DNA database is stored by primary care physicians or the DMV, your worries arent reasonable.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:37 am to deeprig9
I know quite a few that have been tested. 2 went to the hospital. 1 was released after 36 hours and the other was given HCQ+Zpack, once his oxygen levels got to safe levels, they released him this morning to treat at home. He is older and a smoker and had traveled a lot to other countries this year for work.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:37 am to meansonny
Having access to known conditions available in the medical record is entirely different than having access to genetic susceptibility. You may have a medical record showing someone is completely healthy with no high risk conditions. How about if you find out they have a genetic predisposition giving them a >70% chance of colon or breast cancer by time they’re in their 40s?
You’re talking about a person’s history, I’m talking about what’s coming for that person medically in the future due to genetic susceptibility.
You’re talking about a person’s history, I’m talking about what’s coming for that person medically in the future due to genetic susceptibility.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:38 am to deeprig9
If only 28% with symptoms test positive there is no way that 50% of the general population would test positive. The overall Georgia infection rate must be lower than 28%.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:42 am to TMDawg
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Having access to known conditions available in the medical record is entirely different than having access to genetic susceptibility. You may have a medical record showing someone is completely healthy with no high risk conditions. How about if you find out they have a genetic predisposition giving them a >70% chance of colon or breast cancer by time they’re in their 40s?
You’re talking about a person’s history, I’m talking about what’s coming for that person medically in the future due to genetic susceptibility.
I dont think you understand underwriting or insurance.
Same question that you are posing for life insurance to car insurance.
An 18 year old boy pays 50% more than an 18 year old girl.
They both have no accidents and tickets.
Can you answer why?
Do you believe that every state in the union permits this for valid reasons?
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