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re: OT - mRNA thread in Political Talk
Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:49 am to RedPants
Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:49 am to RedPants
It wasn't my thread on that board. On nine pages of that thread over 300 members expressed their opinions.
COVID19 and the response to it are life and death issues that haven't been sussed out due to propaganda and censorship.
COVID19 and the response to it are life and death issues that haven't been sussed out due to propaganda and censorship.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:00 am to Whiznot
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It wasn't my thread on that board. On nine pages of that thread over 300 members expressed their opinions.
It wasn't my thread on that giant echo chamber. On nine pages of that thread over 300 members of that giant echo chamber expressed their opinions.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:11 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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It wasn't my thread on that giant echo chamber. On nine pages of that thread over 300 members of that giant echo chamber expressed their opinions.
Correct. Now do ABC News, whose article you cited earlier. Or any other "news" organization, website, podcast, social media platform, message board, etc. They're all inbred and biased to an extreme degree and it degrades the quality of their information. It degrades the value of the expert opinions they choose to peddle as facts. During the Covid response, that bias was applied to medical science to a degree I'd never personally witnessed.
Honestly, I'd rather wade through the junk info of a biased message board where opposing points of view are still allowed, than get my news from sources who use their editorial discretion to censor or re-interpret "misinformation".
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:34 pm to wdhalgren
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Correct. Now do ABC News, whose article you cited earlier. Or any other "news" organization, website, podcast, social media platform, message board, etc. They're all inbred and biased to an extreme degree and it degrades the quality of their information. I
It was basic data, cut and dried.
But that's okay!
If the data doesn't work for you, attack the credibility of the deliverer of the data. Do this enough, and people will just throw their hands up and not know who or what to believe.
It's dystopian.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:06 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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It was basic data, cut and dried.
It was retrospective, selective, unstratified data mining, implemented by a news organization that set out to prove a point of view. It doesn't constitute evidence. What we needed was a timely, full public release of the data from robust vaccine trials, with full reporting of risks and benefits, stratified by age and health status and other variables. Also it should have been accompanied by thorough and transparent phase IV (post marketing surveillance) data to ensure that long term or delayed side effects weren't occurring. That is data, cut and dried and we didn't get it.
I'm very aware of how to analyze health care data, because I spent a long period earlier in my life doing exactly that. During the Covid outbreak, I spent two years looking for "basic data" and found a morass of poorly designed and implemented studies. I looked at "data" for and against the mRNA vaccines, HCQ, Ivermectin, other antiviral small molecules, corticosteroids, histamine blockers, pulmonary vasodilators, saline nasal sprays, cigarette smoking, mechanical ventilation, face masks, social isolation, etc. Practically none of it rose to the level of "data, cut and dried".
I wasn't even able to gather decent epidemiological data from around the world or the USA because of disparate and garbled reporting, changing benchmarks and definitions and even changing, uneven criteria for diagnosis of the disease, cause of hospitalization or death. In other words, I found very little science and a lot of politics.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:22 pm to wdhalgren
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It was retrospective, selective, unstratified data mining, implemented by a news organization that set out to prove a point of view. It doesn't constitute evidence.
just about every hospital system – big, little, podunk – in America was releasing its icu data back in 2021. unless it was a huge conspiracy among hundreds of different hospital systems, all in cahoots with the dastardly mainstream media, it's basic data staring you right in the face.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:06 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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it's basic data staring you right in the face.
Worthless data. If you find that kind of "data" meaningful, that's fine with me. But, it's not useful for establishing efficacy or safety and never will be.
Interesting that we can both spot obvious political bias on the politics message board, but you apparently can't see obvious political bias in our mainstream media outlets. It's okay to acknowledge because they make no attempt to hide it and haven't for a long time. At this point their output is much closer to propaganda than information and that makes all of their carefully selected data suspect. If they had given us real data for the last 50 years, maybe Americans would have elected fiscally sound leaders and avoided bankrupting the country.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:46 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Pfizer and the FDA tried to block the release of Pfizer tial data for 75 years. Aaron Siri's law firm filed suit in Texas and the judge forced Pfizer and the FDA to release the trial data.
The released data revealed a massive amount of serious adverse reactions including 1,223 deaths in the 90 day EUA period. Popular YouTube COVID commentator Dr. John Campbell was horrified. He had taken, and recommended, mRNA vaccines.
The CDC's vaccine surveillance system, VAERS, quickly tallied 17,000 US deaths from mRNA vaccines. VAERS is notorious for underreporting adverse reactions.
In spite of the public release of the damaging Pfizer data, all that ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN reported was "safe and effective" ad nauseum. We were told over and over that the jabs would prevent both infection and transmission. Neither was true. On every channel, Pfizer ads appeared on almost every show. Now all of the news shows that touted the jabs so shamelessly are on death watch.
The 14 for and 380 against mRNA vote seen in the Political forum is a fairly accurate indication of public sentiment. That same public sentiment buried the democrats and put Trump and pharma critic RFK, Jr in power..
The released data revealed a massive amount of serious adverse reactions including 1,223 deaths in the 90 day EUA period. Popular YouTube COVID commentator Dr. John Campbell was horrified. He had taken, and recommended, mRNA vaccines.
The CDC's vaccine surveillance system, VAERS, quickly tallied 17,000 US deaths from mRNA vaccines. VAERS is notorious for underreporting adverse reactions.
In spite of the public release of the damaging Pfizer data, all that ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN reported was "safe and effective" ad nauseum. We were told over and over that the jabs would prevent both infection and transmission. Neither was true. On every channel, Pfizer ads appeared on almost every show. Now all of the news shows that touted the jabs so shamelessly are on death watch.
The 14 for and 380 against mRNA vote seen in the Political forum is a fairly accurate indication of public sentiment. That same public sentiment buried the democrats and put Trump and pharma critic RFK, Jr in power..
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:03 pm to Whiznot
Trump said they were safe and effective tho
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:14 pm to Whiznot
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The 14 for and 380 against mRNA vote seen in the Political forum is a fairly accurate indication of public sentiment.
COVID vaccines have a 97 percent disapproval rating in America lol?
I play poker with a group of old timers, and they all love Trump and still won't drink Bud Light. But they're all vaxxed and still getting boosters.
Some people need to get out more. Bullet-proof bubbles.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/vaccine-monitor-november-2023-with-covid-concerns-lagging-most-people-have-not-gotten-latest-vaccine/
article from november 2023
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:00 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Okay, Boomer.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:29 pm to lewis and herschel
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COVID quickly disappeared after the vax.
Correlation does not necessarily indicate causation.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 3:42 pm to lewis and herschel
True it is that correlation doesn't prove causation. Infectious diseases tend to die out without the help of vaccines. The myth always propagated is that humans were at the mercy of infectious diseases until vaccines came along to save us. The reality is that in almost every case the disease was defeated by natural immunity before the vaccine existed.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:52 pm to Peter Buck
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When Trump pushed them, every democrat n the country swore they would never, ever, get their vaccine. Then when the potato was elected every single one of them changed their mind immediately.
Nobody gave a rats arse about the science, which is good because the science still hasn’t determined whether the vaccine was good or not.
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Trump said they were safe and effective tho
When Trump pushed them, every democrat n the country swore they would never, ever, get their vaccine. Then when the potato was elected every single one of them changed their mind immediately.
Nobody gave a rats arse about the science, which is good because the science still hasn’t determined whether the vaccine was good or not.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:01 pm to Rules
The science has determined that the mRNA vaccines were a disaster
If you have had two or more mRNA doses and didn't suffer a COVID infection prior to your first dose your immune system is damaged. You can prove that by testing Your Immunoglobulin Gamma antibody subclasses.
I had mine tested. After three Moderna jabs I suffered a class switch with IgG4 elevation. There are no immediate symptoms apparent from IgG4 elevation. The two big concerns are the possibilities of IgG4 Related Disease and cancer vulnerability.
Ironically, people who suffered a COVID infection before taking any mRNA were protected from the IgG antibody class switch. People who took mRNA prior to infection weren't protected from COVID but they were all damaged by the vaccine.
igg4 related disease after mRNA vaccination
If you have had two or more mRNA doses and didn't suffer a COVID infection prior to your first dose your immune system is damaged. You can prove that by testing Your Immunoglobulin Gamma antibody subclasses.
I had mine tested. After three Moderna jabs I suffered a class switch with IgG4 elevation. There are no immediate symptoms apparent from IgG4 elevation. The two big concerns are the possibilities of IgG4 Related Disease and cancer vulnerability.
Ironically, people who suffered a COVID infection before taking any mRNA were protected from the IgG antibody class switch. People who took mRNA prior to infection weren't protected from COVID but they were all damaged by the vaccine.
igg4 related disease after mRNA vaccination
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 8:12 pm
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