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Monken and Run Designs
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:20 am
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:20 am
Let me preface with a couple things:
1- Monken is the best OC we have ever had
2- I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to dissecting run plays/o-line scheme/etc
With that being said, is our lack of explosive running plays a product of Monken's play design?
We are in year 3 of his offense and have struggled to break long runs (from RB) his entire tenure. Anyone that can dissect run plays want to give a shot at answering why that is?
I know we were spoiled with Chubb, Sony, and Swift, but even against inferior opponents, our RB haven't broken a long (30-40 yards) run that often.
What are your theories?
1- Monken is the best OC we have ever had
2- I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to dissecting run plays/o-line scheme/etc
With that being said, is our lack of explosive running plays a product of Monken's play design?
We are in year 3 of his offense and have struggled to break long runs (from RB) his entire tenure. Anyone that can dissect run plays want to give a shot at answering why that is?
I know we were spoiled with Chubb, Sony, and Swift, but even against inferior opponents, our RB haven't broken a long (30-40 yards) run that often.
What are your theories?
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:25 am to K9
We have good RB but not ELITE .
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:30 am to DAWG0829
Vs SEC and bigger opponents I agree, but why aren't we breaking long runs against Samford, UAB, Kent State, etc
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:11 am to K9
A large part is teams still stacking the box like we run the triple option. Another part is we run a lot more counter and zone which requires better vision than the predominantly power runs like we used to. Also our o line is great at power man blocking but slow working to the LBs so guys are often unblocked. Combine that with RBs that aren’t quite what we’re used to and you have a very average ground game. I’m honestly starting to wonder if our propensity for throwing the ball more this year is based on our lack of refinement in the straight up run game. The reverses and end arounds to Bowers and co are great but I don’t see us busting those against better teams.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:15 am to K9
Cook at RB last year had several long runs but he only had 113 carries also.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:16 am to K9
quote:When safeties are near the line of scrimmage, it just takes one hole for one of these types to be behind the defense.
Chubb, Sony, and Swift
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:21 am to K9
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I know we were spoiled with Chubb, Sony, and Swift, but even against inferior opponents, our RB haven't broken a long (30-40 yards) run that often.
What are your theories?
You answered your own question.
McIntosh, Milton and Edwards are good running backs but not elite backs with brake-away agility and speed.
We have elite tight ends. I would suggest more running plays to the outside with our tight ends leading the way for our RB's.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:49 am to GurleyGirl
Yeah but those guys are still elite compared to the lesser teams we play.
What kind of o line blocking scheme do we run? I know there is zone blocking vs man to man I guess? What did Chaney and Pittman run?
Even in 2017 when teams could expect the run more often than not, the line would open up these huge holes that any back could take advantage of. Think back on that rose bowl game. There were holes created where our backs had 20 yards before a defensive player even got in the picture.
Was our o line and downfield blocking that much better?
What kind of o line blocking scheme do we run? I know there is zone blocking vs man to man I guess? What did Chaney and Pittman run?
Even in 2017 when teams could expect the run more often than not, the line would open up these huge holes that any back could take advantage of. Think back on that rose bowl game. There were holes created where our backs had 20 yards before a defensive player even got in the picture.
Was our o line and downfield blocking that much better?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:54 am to K9
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What kind of o-line blocking scheme do we run? I know there is zone blocking vs man to man I guess? What did Chaney and Pittman run?
A lot more power/man on blocking. We were under center more, RBs going downhill vs very little now.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 7:55 am
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:59 am to bigdawg7780
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under center
Ooo, hadn't thought about this difference. More momentum going through the line seems like it would definitely help.
But then you see Ohio state and others popping huge runs out of the shotgun. What are they doing different to be hitting on those? Just execution?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:10 am to K9
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But then you see Ohio state and others popping huge runs out of the shotgun. What are they doing differently to be hitting on those? Just execution?
You see highlights on Ohio State while watching every snap of Georgia's games intently. Travon Henderson is also more talented than any running back we currently have on our roster. Having to drop Zack Evans hurt, want to see Georgia's big runs? Watch Ole Miss and Auburn. We took Zack Evans which cost us Tanks Bigsby then Zack Evans lost his mind as a high school SR.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:26 am to K9
quote:That’s what I mean. The whole defense would be near the line of scrimmage. All 3 of those backs have great vision, acceleration and top speed. One small hole and they were behind the defense.
Even in 2017 when teams could expect the run more often than not
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:30 am to bigdawg7780
The highlights thing is fair, but we should have similar highlights at some point right? Henderson is def. Better than anything in our room, but our guys should still be able to pop one against the lesser teams, no?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:08 am to K9
I’m with you. Look at Oregon state last night. They were shredding USC on the ground with several big runs. Surely USC is better than Samford, USCjr or Kent. I said it once before, McGee is slipping especially on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:29 am to K9
I thnk its how we run the ball, under Richt we passed to set up the run and used momentum to take what the dline gave us. Basically let the d trick itself.
Under kirby we impose our will to get 5-7 yard runs while not tricking anyone.
We also havent had a Gurley, chubb or michel level since they left, even swift is a tier down.
Under kirby we impose our will to get 5-7 yard runs while not tricking anyone.
We also havent had a Gurley, chubb or michel level since they left, even swift is a tier down.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:33 am to K9
A large part is our balance hasn’t pushed power running. More screens and horizontal runs.
Guys dance a while before hitting the gaps. All of them.
Guys dance a while before hitting the gaps. All of them.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:34 am to K9
Monken has been excellent all around. He can’t control piss poor mistakes. Searels scares me long term as we wasn’t very good under Richt.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 1:16 pm to GurleyGirl
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We have elite tight ends. I would suggest more running plays to the outside with our tight ends leading the way for our RB's
Would love to see some toss sweeps (remembering Herschel). would that work from the shotgun?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 3:06 pm to K9
Milton is a couple of shoestring tackles by the last man away from those sports center highlights you crave. Mcintosh already has some, but technically as a receiver. Daijun is our best shake and baker but hasn't had enough carries to stack up a sports center highlight reel. Branson is still a true freshman force that will get his highlights.
tldr; there is much time left in the season to build the highlight reel you seek.
tldr; there is much time left in the season to build the highlight reel you seek.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 3:07 pm to deeprig9
Milton has Holyfield speed. Dont know how many times he got caught by a heal.
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