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re: Kirby Smart's Coaching Chops
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:47 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:47 pm to deeprig9
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Just remember, nobody ever heard of 3* Jordan Davis before 2021. He was just a big dumb gap filler not worthy of any accolades whatsoever in 2021 preseason. Same could be said for Travon Walker, linebacker, everybody talked about Nakobe Dean and Nolan Smith and Adam Anderson. Travon fricked around and was the #1 overall draft pick. Don't think there's not any current "unknowns" on this roster that won't be "extremely known" by end of season. Offense and Defense. Lanning knows it.
I expect that for most teams. No one thinks Georgia is going to fall out of the top 10 in defense. That ILB group will fall off the hardest. You got youth and inexperience there.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:42 pm to deeprig9
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According to Saban, 2021 was a rebuilding year. Their QB won the Heisman, they won the SEC despite a regular season loss and some pretty close regular season games, but still made it to the NC. If that's a Bama rebuilding year, then that's pretty damn good. If we think of ourselves on Bama's level now, then that's what we should also expect for a "rebuilding year".
Solid...
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:07 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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I do think the offense will be a good bit better this year, and the defense won't be all that far from last year.
Both were top 5 last year.
Not much room for the O to improve on besides running more plays.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:33 am to bisonduck
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That ILB group will fall off the hardest. You got youth and inexperience there.
Trezman Marshall is a redshirt junior.
JDJ and Smael Mondon both logged over 100 snaps last season. Our system typically has linebackers step up and push all conference as sophomores (Roquan Smith, Monty Rice, Nakobe Dean).
The biggest challenge for the ILB group will be not having Jordan Davis to keep them clean.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:38 am to djsdawg
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Both were top 5 last year.
Not much room for the O to improve on besides running more plays.
The offense can push for a full 15 game slate of consistency. Swapping QBs and adjusting playcalling, getting youth some experience and guys back from IR... there is an opportunity for 14 or 15 games scoring 30+ points and 12 or 13 games at 40+.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 8:51 am to bisonduck
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Your ILB room was generational. I’ve never seen anything like it when studying an opponent. That will be the biggest drop off on your defense.
Inside linebacker has been generational every season but 2016 and 2018 under Kirby.
2016 was install year and 2018 was replacing Roquan before we had several recruiting classes to get Schuman's guys in place. And 2018 was still damn good. We just couldn't handle the mobile QBs running the ball (Burrow, Lock, Ehlinger, Hurts. We gave up 10 rushing TDs to QBs that season. 2017 we gave up 8 rushing TDs to any position the entire season and 2019 that number was down to 2).
We will have to play differently to be gap sound without Jordan Davis. But we have the ILB to be elite.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:41 pm to meansonny
Tell me the last time 3 ILB went in the same class in the first three rounds. The ILB room is likely to be good and not generationally elite. Don’t take it the wrong way.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:07 pm to bisonduck
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The ILB room is likely to be good and not generationally elite.
The two top ILB draft picks were virtual nobodies before the 2021 season. You do know that, don't you? Neither were starters in 2020 or 2019.
Our defensive recruiting hasn't let up since 2018.
We have the same ILB coach. And the same level of talent. Next man up.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:16 pm to meansonny
They were also in the system for years.
Two of your top three are in their second year.
Two of your top three are in their second year.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:24 pm to bisonduck
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They were also in the system for years.
Two of your top three are in their second year.
JDJ ran the same system in high school and is our Mike linebacker as a sophomore (same as Nakobe Dean, Monty Rice, and Roquan Smith... all sophomore starters at Mike linebacker).
You seem to think that 3 and out players don't make their move as sophomores (5 star smael mondon)
Trezman Marshall is the Moe as a redshirt junior.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:34 pm to meansonny
I expect Justin Flowe to be good this year. He’s in his third year, received some very good coaching but I expect him to have some growing pains because he just hasn’t played. Why is this so hard?
I watched for Pops, Mondon and Marshall when watching your games last year. They don’t trigger the same as Dean, Tindale and Quay. I am sure they will improve. However, arguing there’s going to be little to no drop off is stubborn.
I watched for Pops, Mondon and Marshall when watching your games last year. They don’t trigger the same as Dean, Tindale and Quay. I am sure they will improve. However, arguing there’s going to be little to no drop off is stubborn.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:44 pm to bisonduck
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I expect Justin Flowe to be good this year.
Lol. Is this about kirbys coaching or not? Lol
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I watched for Pops, Mondon and Marshall when watching your games last year
If you watched JDJ last year and didn't see same action as Dean, Walker, or Tindall, then you may need to rethink your knowledge on the sport.
He isn't called POP because of hyperactive sperm. He creates havoc plays. All the time.
Marshall was our best cover linebacker last season (which says a lot with 3 NFL draft picks). He is starting this year. So he will be asked to do a lot more than cover. And there will be question marks (very similar to Channing Tindall pre 2021 about filling gaps).
You obviously spend more time on UGA than I do any of our opponents. And that is respectable. But to claim that UGA fans are stubborn (as if we don't know our team better than you do) is a little rich on an opponents board.
I appreciate the discussion. Just know who watches, eats, and breathes this team more than you.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:51 pm to meansonny
I am calling you stubborn. My job is based in Johns Creek. I know many Georgia fans that have the same concern.
Also, I brought up Justin Flowe to say that it’s not that hard to be objective.
Also, I brought up Justin Flowe to say that it’s not that hard to be objective.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:14 pm to bisonduck
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My job is based in Johns Creek
Well that's a qualification to tell UGA fans that they know less about their team than you.
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Also, I brought up Justin Flowe to say that it’s not that hard to be objective.
Fair enough. I missed the context because I was laughing.
I have concerns. I've been vocal about them. Evidently, you don't think I have the proper concerns.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 4:02 pm to meansonny
Why laugh though?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 4:40 pm to bisonduck
Wrong thread (I was wondering if there was a PacRant or quackrant website missing you).
I get it once you explained it.
I get it once you explained it.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:23 pm to bisonduck
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That ILB group will fall off the hardest. You got youth and inexperience there.
You say the ILB group got hit the hardest.
But we had 3 DL go first round.
Our ILB has had 2 butkus winners.
Took a 2 star wide receiver and got him drafted in 2 years at ILB (who currently starts for the giants).
And every player who has started the position under Kirby at UGA is playing on Sundays.
We took 2 players who were non starters and made them 1st round draft choices in 2021 in one season.
I have full faith in all of our coaches. But you are picking the wrong position group to nitpick.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 5:52 am to meansonny
Tindale, Dean and Quay had production back to 2018/2019 and all three were in your top 20 tacklers with 2 (Dean and Quay) in your top 5 in 2020. C’mon it’s not close to analogous. They had between double and triple the game experience.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 5:54 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 7:23 am to bisonduck
Dean wasn't on the roster in 2018.
Quay got a good amount of run in 2020. Both as a sub when Monty Rice got nic'd. And as a ILB in pass situations (similar to Tindall in 2021).
Even though he wasn't a starter, he was on the field a good bit in 2020.
Channing Tindall was not on the field a lot in 2020 (outside of special teams). He probably had less snaps than JDJ did at the position in 2021.
They were both stud recruits. But outside of that, they were not on NFL radars prior to the 2021 season. You can Google pre August 2021 mock drafts and prove me wrong.
I presume that you are arguing how great they were coming into the 2021 season? Top 20 tacklers on the team?
Quay got a good amount of run in 2020. Both as a sub when Monty Rice got nic'd. And as a ILB in pass situations (similar to Tindall in 2021).
Even though he wasn't a starter, he was on the field a good bit in 2020.
Channing Tindall was not on the field a lot in 2020 (outside of special teams). He probably had less snaps than JDJ did at the position in 2021.
They were both stud recruits. But outside of that, they were not on NFL radars prior to the 2021 season. You can Google pre August 2021 mock drafts and prove me wrong.
I presume that you are arguing how great they were coming into the 2021 season? Top 20 tacklers on the team?
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 7:40 am
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:00 pm to meansonny
Look, I don’t care who’s on the NFL’s radar. Georgia recruits players with the necessary attributes to play in the NFL. Dean is the toughest replacement, imo, even though he was the 3rd rounder. The new top 3 players won’t have the same play recognition that the 3 you had last year unless they’re off-the-charts instinctive. That comes with being in your 3rd or 4th year. As far as I can tell, Mondon is the third most experienced. He’s the one I compare to Tindale, then Quay to Marshall, etc. Up and down the position group, it’s far less experience and younger. This seems uncontroversial to me.
I’ve always enjoyed the linebackers at Georgia but last years group was the best.
I’ve always enjoyed the linebackers at Georgia but last years group was the best.
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