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re: Kirby Smart done deal to replace Richt per AJC

Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:18 pm to
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:18 pm to
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So tired of hearing how unimportant an 18 year old is to the program. Herschel was an 18 year old once. Think it would have made a difference if he had flipped to UF. I agree that you never know how a recruit will pan out. But based on what we have seen from Eason, we should care very much where this 18 year old plays ball.


Herschel Walker is your example? Come on man, that was 35 years ago.

What Eason does will affect us next year for sure- to a degree (remember #1 overall pick MS's true fresh year?) My point is that the overall state of our program will have little bearing on what Eason does. If he's as impactful as a true freshman as HW was I stand corrected.
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:24 pm to
My point is you never know you have to go on what you can see. Maybe he has the effect of a Herschel or a Payton or a Tebow. Maybe not. But to just cast him aside as just another 18 year old based on what we can see so far is foolish. If he turns out to be a Ramsey at least we gave him a shot. But as of now. In this point in time. He is important by himself and the effect he has on other recruits. How much of an effect did an 18 year Chubb have last year?

That's my piece on it.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 9:28 pm
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:32 pm to
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Maybe he has the effect of a Herschel or a Payton


Great example- greatest pro style QB in modern football history. Do you actually recall his freshman year? It wasn't pretty....and UT was stacked back then.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70258 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:05 am to
I cross-posted this on a GTP entry, but don't feel like retyping:
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Here's why I might be okay with Pruitt going: With the previous coaching staff, Jeremy Pruitt was our Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men. We want him in that (B-M) Hall. We NEED him in that Hall. In CMR's time in Athens, Pruitt was likely the lone voice in the wilderness asking WTF was going on, if everybody that says they want to win actually wanted to, you know, WIN.

The entire balance has shifted, now. The former NegaDawgs who decried CMR's nice guy to a fault, "Aw shucks" routine are now the Kool-Aid-swilling Disneys. A new day has dawned, and the new regime will likely be hand-picked by Col. Jessup's commanding officer. That tells me shite's about to get real.

Pruitt was only indispensable so long as he was the sole badass challenging the status quo. I know the players love him, and I think their admiration of a firm hand on the rudder speaks volumes in the face of what appeared to be Richt's Care Bear culture in Athens. I firmly believe that Kirby's bringing the antidote to that, and he'll have 9 hardass assistants behind him wiping the slate clean.

Posted by Dawg in Beaumont
Athens
Member since Jan 2012
4494 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:13 am to
That's well said, but I also liked Pruitt purely for his coaching acumen. Him pushing back against some ideas that held us back in Butts-Mehre was important, but he also shaped our defense into a damn good unit. That's why I want to keep him.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70258 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:19 am to
/bow Thank you. I love what he's done for the defense in the post-Grantham Era as well. Pruitt's defense kept us in many a game that we likely should have lost. We could have been 5-7/4-8 if not for a superior effort by the defense.

My cautious optimism rears its head again at the prospect that Kirby-for-Pruitt is at worst an even trade. My hope is that the Defensive coaching staff will be even greater than the sum of its parts, and allows that unit to transcend from very good to elite.

The return of a Junkyard Dawg defense would buy our fledgling QB and revamped offense some much needed breathing room.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 7:23 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13481 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:04 am to
The Junkyard Dawg defenses had smaller lineman, big and slow LBs, and midget CBs....

I want a freak dawg defense with 300 lb dudes that can dunk on the line, LBs that are 225 that can smell the ball, tackle well and could play Safety if need be, and CBs who are fast, can jump over fences, and have elite ball skills.


Give me that... That's all.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70258 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:04 am to
Good point on the metrics. I was more using the JYD moniker to signal a return to staggeringly-good defense.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42075 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:10 am to
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I like Ekeler but don't want anybody back that Smart doesn't want here.




I agree. I just loved the way he coaches. It's like Boom without the lunacy.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
31526 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:14 am to
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It's like Boom without the lunacy.





Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13481 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:29 am to
Can we call them the Freak Dawgs? I like this moniker.
Posted by Hobnail
ATL
Member since Oct 2014
3203 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:33 am to



I prefer Atomic Dawgs
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 9:34 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88636 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:39 pm to
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I really want him, and think we land him, but our program will not hinge on where an 18 year old enrolls next month.


and that's where you're wrong. 90% of the time I'd wholeheartedly agree with you, but not this time. If Eason comes, we'll take our lumps the first half of '16 (which honestly, probably wouldn't be THAT much worse than what we'll get from lambert anyway) but by the end of 16 the light should come on like it did for STafford the last part of '06. '17 and '18 we should be dynamic at QB and really set us up for success.

Compare that to if he leaves. We'll go into '16 with lambert, ramsey and no other scholarship QBs (as of now). Idc what you say about improvement or whatever, that is terrifying. And not good. At all. So now we go into '17 with a senior Ramsey (who at this point may not have ever even started a game yet, and couldn't beat out lambert) competing against a true freshman yet to be named (who knows if hockman will stick around...whether he does or doesn't we'll surely have a QB in the 17 class). There's yet another year of QB sucking. Then ramsey leaves so we go into '18 likely breaking in yet another new QB (assuming SR ramsey beats out a TFR). You're looking at 3 years of average to below average QB play with the only light in the tunnel being 2019.


Maybe more so than I can remember in a long, long time...this one recruit truly will determine the fate of our program for years to come.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted by CommitToTheG
Athens, GA
Member since Jan 2013
299 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:47 pm to
Whole heartedly agree. Eason is a big piece that the next 2-3 years and possibly further hinges on.

Let's say he doesn't come, the above QB scenario plays out, and then we're 3 years in and the Kirby Smart hire looks terrible and like a mistake. All of a sudden he finds himself on the hot seat. All of a sudden he's fired. All of a sudden we're Tennessee.


We do not want to be Tennessee.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42075 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:50 pm to
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All of a sudden we're Tennessee.


More like Florida. At least Kirby will leave the cupboard stocked for the next coach.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88636 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:54 pm to
plus, easons don't come along every year. Sure, SOMEONE will be the #1 QB next year but people like JE don't grow on trees. Look at the last few years' rankings of Pro Style QBs and what each has done. I won't count the '15 class because it's not fair to judge since some of these kids haven't even taken a snap yet.

14
Kyle Allen- ok
Will Grier- ok, cheater
Keller Chryst- who

13
Max Browne- ?
Hackenberg- pretty good
Shane Morris- ?

12
Gunner Kiel- meh
Zach Kline- nothing
Tanner Mangum- nothing

11
C. Lemay- bust
Max Wittek- probably nothing
Jacoby Brisset- bust


eason will be better than anyone on that list.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26513 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:54 pm to
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and that's where you're wrong. 90% of the time I'd wholeheartedly agree with you, but not this time. If Eason comes, we'll take our lumps the first half of '16 (which honestly, probably wouldn't be THAT much worse than what we'll get from lambert anyway) but by the end of 16 the light should come on like it did for STafford the last part of '06. '17 and '18 we should be dynamic at QB and really set us up for success.

Compare that to if he leaves. We'll go into '16 with lambert, ramsey and no other scholarship QBs (as of now). Idc what you say about improvement or whatever, that is terrifying. And not good. At all. So now we go into '17 with a senior Ramsey (who at this point may not have ever even started a game yet, and couldn't beat out lambert) competing against a true freshman yet to be named (who knows if hockman will stick around...whether he does or doesn't we'll surely have a QB in the 17 class). There's yet another year of QB sucking. Then ramsey leaves so we go into '18 likely breaking in yet another new QB (assuming SR ramsey beats out a TFR). You're looking at 3 years of average to below average QB play with the only light in the tunnel being 2019.


This was the risk we took when we fired Richt. No turning back now.

If Eason flips, we can figure out something else. Bama was mediocre at QB until McCarron. They still won.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88636 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:58 pm to
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Bama was mediocre at QB until McCarron. They still won.


JPW and Mcelroy are both miles better than lambert or ramsey.

Thsi isn't a comparison between a D.Greene and DJ where they're both excellent but you're trying to decide whose better. This is like comparing aaron murray to JT3.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26513 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:01 pm to
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JPW and Mcelroy are both miles better than lambert or ramsey.

Kinda hard to know that honestly. They were older than Ramsey when they played, and their teams were way, way more talented.

Point is not that Ramsey or Lambert are good. I'm not even talking about them in particular. I'm saying we can piece it together. Transfers, JUCOs, whatever. If Eason flips, we can still be just fine if we don't pout and make good decisions.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4064 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:08 pm to
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JPW


Was really similar to Lambert. If you watch that 2008 season, he threw over the middle probably twice the whole season. He did what he was told - hand that ball to Coffee and throw it to Julio.

quote:

Mcelroy


Was a lot better than Lambert but had less arm talent than Brice. He's also got about 70 IQ points on Brice but no where near the kicking skills.
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