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re: Jimmy Williamson at it again...
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:38 pm to HTDawg
Posted on 7/30/19 at 1:38 pm to HTDawg
"He's right on both counts. People like you have been watching too many Dirty Harry movies. Arming teachers is a moronic idea. I guess to you more guns is always the answer."
I think if a teacher wants to arm themselves they should be able to as a US Citizen BUT it would do little to stop a would be killer from conducting a mass shooting. The most recent one is a good example. The culprit was dead within a couple of minutes....and 3 people still died. 3 is better than 4, obviously, but accepting 3 isn't acceptable if one of the 3 is one of yours....
I think if a teacher wants to arm themselves they should be able to as a US Citizen BUT it would do little to stop a would be killer from conducting a mass shooting. The most recent one is a good example. The culprit was dead within a couple of minutes....and 3 people still died. 3 is better than 4, obviously, but accepting 3 isn't acceptable if one of the 3 is one of yours....
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:43 pm to mmmmmbeeer
1) The militia clause is independent of the right, which is expressly given to "the people" as in "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
2) Assuming arguendo that the militia clause did apply, hmmm....if only there was a Federal law defining who the milita is...oh wait, what's this? Why, it's The Militia Act of 1792! So, who is the militia?
So not only do some of the teachers qualify, but also some of the students.
2) Assuming arguendo that the militia clause did apply, hmmm....if only there was a Federal law defining who the milita is...oh wait, what's this? Why, it's The Militia Act of 1792! So, who is the militia?
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I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia,
So not only do some of the teachers qualify, but also some of the students.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:04 pm to FaCubeItches
Funny that the only reason we have a first amendment, is the second amendment.
The press and legal community stretch the bounds on the first amendment to extraordinary lengths.
The same frickers would shite themselves if people tried to frick with the first amendment, half as much as the second.
England gave up because they knew we were a well armed force with our heals dug in to protect our new Homeland.
Every great power before us has fallen....it can happen, especially with this new breed of SJW we have in this country.
The press and legal community stretch the bounds on the first amendment to extraordinary lengths.
The same frickers would shite themselves if people tried to frick with the first amendment, half as much as the second.
England gave up because they knew we were a well armed force with our heals dug in to protect our new Homeland.
Every great power before us has fallen....it can happen, especially with this new breed of SJW we have in this country.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:13 pm to FaCubeItches
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Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia,
I guess black teachers are shite out luck.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:04 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I guess black teachers are shite out luck.
The quoted portion of the Militia Act came from the time that the Constitution was adopted. Has it been updated since then? Let's play "What does the United States Code have to say on the matter?"
Oh look...it has!
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10 U.S. Code §?246. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
You guess wrong.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:27 pm to WorkinDawg
[quote]Look for roadblocks on 316 after ND game. Jimmy ruined Athens.
If you’re ever stopped in a roadblock, open your window just wide enough to slip your DL & proof of insurance through. Cops have no right to search your car without your approval, nor require you to exit your vehicle without probable cause. They can always make shite up, and you can always go to court and embarrass them.
If you’re ever stopped in a roadblock, open your window just wide enough to slip your DL & proof of insurance through. Cops have no right to search your car without your approval, nor require you to exit your vehicle without probable cause. They can always make shite up, and you can always go to court and embarrass them.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:33 pm to Cobb Dawg
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quote]Look for roadblocks on 316 after ND game. Jimmy ruined Athens. If you’re ever stopped in a roadblock, open your window just wide enough to slip your DL & proof of insurance through. Cops have no right to search your car without your approval, nor require you to exit your vehicle without probable cause. They can always make shite up, and you can always go to court and embarrass them.
I’m not trying to get in a pissing contest but if they ask you to step out Mims vs Pennsylvania gives them the authority to do so.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:12 pm to RedFive
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I’m not trying to get in a pissing contest but if they ask you to step out Mims vs Pennsylvania gives them the authority to do so.
You are 100% wrong. Search and seizure is illegal without probable cause. Driving down a particular road does not constitute probable cause. Step out if you wish, but I won’t.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:05 pm to Cobb Dawg
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You are 100% wrong. Search and seizure is illegal without probable cause. Driving down a particular road does not constitute probable cause. Step out if you wish, but I won’t.
The Supreme Court decided they can ask you step out of your car to conduct an investigation. I promise you if they told you to step out you would or they would help you out. Read the ruling.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 10:08 pm to Cobb Dawg
Removing you from a vehicle is not considering searching it either. Again, read the ruling.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:31 pm to tylerdurden24
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As a former teacher, I wouldn’t trust 75% of the people I worked with to operate a gun under duress even with comprehensive training. It’s a well intentioned thought to protect our kids but it’s a horrible idea in practice.
It's not about their ability to "operate a gun under duress"...its the fact that the gun is there in the 1st place. There is a reason gun shops never get robbed during business hours.
If the shite hit the fan, would you rather have a stapler to defend yourself or someone, anyone, with a gun?
And I wouldn't go hunting with any of by buddies who joined the army instead of going to college. But dam if we don't have a dam good army when we need it.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 11:49 pm to WorkinDawg
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t's not about their ability to "operate a gun under duress"...its the fact that the gun is there in the 1st place. There is a reason gun shops never get robbed during business hours.
If the shite hit the fan, would you rather have a stapler to defend yourself or someone, anyone, with a gun?
And I wouldn't go hunting with any of by buddies who joined the army instead of going to college. But dam if we don't have a dam good army when we need it.
Maybe if teachers passed a marksmanship course of some sort, maybe a police maintained and supervised course I could support this but I’m also a little skeptical of just throwing guns to teachers. I think maybe a guard force of retired cops or retired military that’s passed extensive background checks would be a better option.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:29 am to RedFive
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Maybe if teachers passed a marksmanship course of some sort, maybe a police maintained and supervised course I could support this but I’m also a little skeptical of just throwing guns to teachers. I think maybe a guard force of retired cops or retired military that’s passed extensive background checks would be a better option.
I don't think anyone is advocating the Principal assigning a Glock to each teacher with their classroom assignments. That is silly.
There are 130K schools in the US. How many retired cops and military would you need? Would you pay them? One football or baseball coach who hunts and understands guns, with access to one AR15 type weapon, is really all you need to deter 95% of the nonsense. The nutters who do crap like shoot up schools know they have a good 10-15 minute window where they can literally shoot fish in a barrel. Fact is good guys with guns deter gun violence. Always has been, always will be
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:45 am to WorkinDawg
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I don't think anyone is advocating the Principal assigning a Glock to each teacher with their classroom assignments. That is silly.
There are 130K schools in the US. How many retired cops and military would you need? Would you pay them? One football or baseball coach who hunts and understands guns, with access to one AR15 type weapon, is really all you need to deter 95% of the nonsense. The nutters who do crap like shoot up schools know they have a good 10-15 minute window where they can literally shoot fish in a barrel. Fact is good guys with guns deter gun violence. Always has been, always will be
Every community has that class of retirees. Pay? No. Volunteer? Yes. You would be surprised how many of both types would show interest. The biggest question out of all this will be can whoever is given the duty to protect actually do so? It’s not an easy thing to just grab your shite and roll when you are in a funnel (hallway or doorway).
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