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re: H Back Dive Triple Option Stuff

Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:27 am to
Posted by Chris_topher
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:27 am to
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We are worrying about the wrong thing. Our offense is the key. GT has a great run D, there is no denying that. Mason and Gurley will make or break us on the score board. Period. This game isn't on CTG. On Bobo!

I wouldn't say it's a great run D.. there's some good and there's some bad... think we have just enough coordination between the line, LBs, and secondary to make it work. For some reason I like our chances defending the RB out of the backfield and the short stuff and hope we pay attention to the TE.. Bobo can help us out with the play calling.
Posted by Rules
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:33 am to
I think the TE will kill us with quick slants.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:45 am to
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Man is actually common on the outside in option defense


Who determine's the safeties man? Grantham or Johnson.

That is where teams get crushed. The offensive coordinator can change the blocking scheme and the safety responsible for the pitchman is cut block in the middle of the field by the right tackle and the inside linebacker who is unblocked has to know that he is now in man on the A Back.

Or instead of reading the OLB, blocking him and reading the ILB or safety. The OC can F up assignment football so easily with the same play by changing the blocking assignments.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 9:54 am to
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Who determine's the safeties man? Grantham or Johnson.


Down and Distance
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 11:28 am to
Mays hurt his knee last year against tech on an illegal block if I recall. I garbage time. Anyways. The first player Tech's QB looks for is the safety in the majority of their offense. He is usually the pitch man in a 3-4. Mays will be in on the veer plays, but not always. We will probably use Drew and Smith unbalanced with Jenkins and Floyd outside. They will try and run at Floyd and we will want them too. JHC will play off the Sam on the play side and Matthews will play deep. Expect to see more db's with Moore and Mauger in this game instead of Shaq to control the edge.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 11:38 am to
Mayes was an EE Juco this year.
Posted by Padawgjr
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 12:03 pm to
One of our big guys on the D-Line went don't with a knee last year in garbage time. I thought it was Mays, but I definitely could be wrong. I do know it was somebody though, because the coaches in the box went crazy.
Posted by Padawgjr
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 12:05 pm to
It must have been Taylor.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 11/28/13 at 11:26 pm to
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Down and Distance


Ask Christopher.
Man responsibilities get identified by Johnson and that's where they break those 60 yard runs.

On a side note... Ive seen people on these boards demand that the down linemen in or base 3-4 all command double-teams to keep the ILB clean. It isn't the defense who dictates how the offense engages them. No offensive coordinator is going to draw up a play where 5 offensive linemen all block the 3 fat guys and ignore the 4 athletic linebackers. And in the same sense, Johnson's option offense isn't as basic as the opponents we all faced in high school. Do not expect man coverage to avoid busted defensive plays all game (i'm talking about home run runs).
Posted by Padawgjr
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 10:16 am to
The reason you have an unbalanced line is to reduce your gaps and put your speed on the edge. PJ will send a tackle out to block a safety. This is the dynamic of their offense vs. 3-4. That's why we will have more four down line sets, to force the O-Line to account for the D-line. Again, essentially it lets our speed guys get after the edge. You don't want Jenkins chasing down a QB. So he will play with his hand on the ground more today and Drew, Smith, Taylor will play unbalanced on either side. This forces them to block more at the LOS and keeps our backers and DBs free to find the football. Rig will understand. You may not.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 1:36 pm to
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The reason you have an unbalanced line is to reduce your gaps and put your speed on the edge. PJ will send a tackle out to block a safety. This is the dynamic of their offense vs. 3-4. That's why we will have more four down line sets, to force the O-Line to account for the D-line. Again, essentially it lets our speed guys get after the edge. You don't want Jenkins chasing down a QB. So he will play with his hand on the ground more today and Drew, Smith, Taylor will play unbalanced on either side. This forces them to block more at the LOS and keeps our backers and DBs free to find the football. Rig will understand. You may not.


Our 3-4 defense against the triple option is essentially a 5-2 front.
But we'll still keep our DEs wide with the OLBs wider.

I see Mayes at NT (Taylor subbing him).
Drew and Smith at DE (Bailey, Dawson, and Johnson subbing them).
Floyd and Jenkins at OLB (DeLoach and Dawson subbing)
All 5 of them will line up tight to the line of scrimmage.

You'll see our DEs in a 5 technique pinching in and basically just shoving the offensive tackles inside with full force as they don't have to account for any contain. This eliminates the tackle as a clean blocker, eliminates space from the B Gap, and essentially clogs up the middle.

Grantham will be able to change up how he defends the option with run blitzes from OLB, ILB, or safety.
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