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Posted on 10/9/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 10/9/23 at 6:29 pm
Pollack and others have mentioned sonce the start of the season that the biggest weakness on the defensive side of the ball is the edge play.
Is this something that can be improved as guys get coached up, or this going to be a chink in the armor going forward?
Is this something that can be improved as guys get coached up, or this going to be a chink in the armor going forward?
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Posted on 10/9/23 at 6:57 pm to grey
Reps, reps, and more reps.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 6:59 pm to grey
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chink
Bigot
Posted on 10/9/23 at 7:17 pm to grey
Kirby got a question about this in his press conference today.
To paraphase his answer-
We don't let people run north and south on us. We intentionally scheme to make teams run to the perimeter. When the are running east-west, that's better than running north-south. It's our defensive scheme to make sure they don't run north-south, which naturally opens up perimeter (edge) opportunities for the opponent. And of course we always have to get better at everything always.
End paraphrase.
To paraphase his answer-
We don't let people run north and south on us. We intentionally scheme to make teams run to the perimeter. When the are running east-west, that's better than running north-south. It's our defensive scheme to make sure they don't run north-south, which naturally opens up perimeter (edge) opportunities for the opponent. And of course we always have to get better at everything always.
End paraphrase.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:20 pm to grey
Most of the edge issues that I have seen are related to ILB play and S play.
That doesn't mean our OLBs or DEs are perfect. But Walthour isn't going to be the guy chasing wide plays down.
That doesn't mean our OLBs or DEs are perfect. But Walthour isn't going to be the guy chasing wide plays down.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:27 pm to grey
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Is this something that can be improved as guys get coached up, or this going to be a chink in the armor going forward?
Erk Russell said it better than anyone: Winners always have a bad case of the wants!
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:49 pm to ugastreaker
guess this explains why our edge LBs crash the middle while the ball carrier runs east-west
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:53 pm to superdawg
Kirby has said that the crashing in is by design. Kirby said they aren’t going to allow north/ south runners and want east/ west runners.
ETA actual quote:
Everybody has a defensive philosophy on how they play football. We don’t like balls to run north-south. So if the ball’s not running north-south, where’s it running? East-west. If it’s running east-west, where does it have to get to? The edge. Most of the runs we give up, by design, are on the edge. We’re not going to allow you to go north and south. If you go north and south on us, we’ve got bigger problems. If we can get it go sideways, we tend to think our speed runs it down.
ETA actual quote:
Everybody has a defensive philosophy on how they play football. We don’t like balls to run north-south. So if the ball’s not running north-south, where’s it running? East-west. If it’s running east-west, where does it have to get to? The edge. Most of the runs we give up, by design, are on the edge. We’re not going to allow you to go north and south. If you go north and south on us, we’ve got bigger problems. If we can get it go sideways, we tend to think our speed runs it down.
This post was edited on 10/9/23 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 10/9/23 at 10:58 pm to ugastreaker
This is the reason why Smart covets us establishing the dive on offense. He understands that when you prove you can run between the tackles for 4 plus yards, you limit what the defense can do, affect the pass rush on PA and wear them down.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:29 am to deeprig9
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We don't let people run north and south on us. We intentionally scheme to make teams run to the perimeter. When the are running east-west, that's better than running north-south. It's our defensive scheme to make sure they don't run north-south, which naturally opens up perimeter (edge) opportunities for the opponent. And of course we always have to get better at everything always.
it's impossible to argue with and i agree with the mindset/strategy 100%.
yeah our weakness is the random weird play on the outside that might spring a big gain, but we are stopping every small gain throughout the whole night and making sure the other team HAS to find a weird big gain on the outside on potentially a broken play even. and we think we are gonna stop those way more than the other team is gonna convert them. and we do.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:50 am to deeprig9
I see this as coach speak.
I can only say that our national championship defenses did a much better job of containing the outside.
Hope this defense grows up but we seem to be lacking speed to contain on the outside.
I can only say that our national championship defenses did a much better job of containing the outside.
Hope this defense grows up but we seem to be lacking speed to contain on the outside.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:59 am to GurleyGirl
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I can only say that our national championship defenses did a much better job of containing the outside.
someone mentioned in another thread but when you consider:
1) Those teams had Adam anderson and NOlan smith who are both ELITE OLBs, and
2) Those teams had mega-elite DLs which commanded so much attenbtion that it allowed the OLBs to operate more freely
it's no surpirse that this year's production will dip. We don't have that stout DL and we don't have the caliber of OLB we've had before. My hope is that the last few year's hauls of highly ranked dudes like Marvin Jones, M'Pemba, Gabe harris, walker, smith, etc will start to get it together.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:13 am to WG_Dawg
Haven’t heard anything from M’Pemba this year
Posted on 10/10/23 at 9:43 am to GurleyGirl
quote:
I see this coach speak.
I can only say that our national championship defenses did a much better job of containing the outside.
Hope this defense grows up but we seem to be lacking speed to contain on the outside.
What do you base this on?
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:49 am to Peter Buck
Jalon Walker got a sack against Kentucky, which broke the season-long OLB sack drought. So that was good.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:03 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Kentucky was the first traditional drop back passing team that would allow us to really get after the QB
Everyone else either played the quick game or kept the ball on the ground
Everyone else either played the quick game or kept the ball on the ground
Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:49 pm to meansonny
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Kentucky was the first traditional drop back passing team that would allow us to really get after the QB
Everyone else either played the quick game or kept the ball on the ground
North Carolina had nine sacks against South Carolina. Texas A&M had seven sacks against Auburn.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 5:30 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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North Carolina had nine sacks against South Carolina. Texas A&M had seven sacks against Auburn.
South Carolina went to the quick game. You watched it. You know it.
Auburn basically had an entirely new OC and gameplan (I didn't watch previous Auburn games... but it has been made very apparent that we saw almost zero film of what Auburn ran against us).
What they did against other teams has zero to do with the looks and gameplan that they threw at us.
Kentucky didn't change. One bit. And we saw how well UGA utilized film and preparation for their offense.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:03 pm to meansonny
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South Carolina went to the quick game. You watched it. You know it.
Spencer Rattler was dropping back and patting the ball and scanning the field the whole second half against us, but sure thing buddy.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 8:51 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Here is the second half and note we were spying him. He really carved us up
1st & 10 at SC 8
(12:16 - 3rd) Dakereon Joyner run for no gain to the SC 8
2nd & 10 at SC 8
(12:16 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler sacked by Mykel Williams for a loss of 4 yards to the SC 4
3rd & 14 at SC 4
(12:16 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
4th & 14 at SC 4
(11:00 - 3rd) Kai Kroeger punt for 45 yds, fair catch by Mekhi Mews at the SC 49
1st & 10 at SC 25
(7:40 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler pass complete to Eddie Lewis for 23 yds to the SC 48 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 48
(7:40 - 3rd) Dakereon Joyner run for 7 yds to the UGA 45
2nd & 3 at UGA 45
(7:40 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler pass complete to O'Mega Blake for 11 yds to the UGA 34 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at UGA 34
(7:40 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at UGA 34
(7:40 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler pass complete to Xavier Legette for 3 yds to the UGA 31
3rd & 7 at UGA 31
(7:40 - 3rd) Spencer Rattler sacked by Jamon Dumas-Johnson for a loss of 8 yards to the UGA 39
4th & 15 at UGA 39
(7:40 - 3rd) South Carolina Penalty, Delay Of Game (Debo Williams) to the UGA 44
4th & 20 at UGA 44
(4:30 - 3rd) Kai Kroeger punt for 33 yds, downed at the UGA 11
1st & 10 at SC 25
(13:45 - 4th) Dakereon Joyner run for no gain to the SC 25
2nd & 10 at SC 25
(13:45 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
3rd & 10 at SC 25
(13:45 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
4th & 10 at SC 25
(12:59 - 4th) Kai Kroeger punt for 36 yds
1st & 10 at SC 25
(9:10 - 4th) Spencer Rattler run for 13 yds to the SC 38 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 38
(9:10 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass complete to Trey Knox for 13 yds to the UGA 49 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at UGA 49
(9:10 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at UGA 49
(9:10 - 4th) South Carolina Penalty, False Start (Nick Gargiulo) to the SC 46
2nd & 15 at SC 46
(9:10 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
(7:50 - 4th) Timeout South Carolina, clock 07:50
3rd & 15 at SC 46
(7:50 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
4th & 15 at SC 46
(7:43 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
1st & 10 at SC 7
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at SC 7
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
3rd & 10 at SC 7
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass complete to O'Mega Blake for 13 yds to the SC 20 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 20
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at SC 20
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
3rd & 10 at SC 20
(5:59 - 4th) South Carolina Penalty, False Start (Sidney Fugar) to the SC 15
3rd & 15 at SC 15
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass complete to O'Mega Blake for 41 yds to the UGA 44 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at UGA 44
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at UGA 44
(5:59 - 4th) RATTLER, Spencer pass to the left complete for 22 yards to SIMON, Joshua caught at the UGA37 and advanced to the UGA22 (DUMAS-JOHNSON, Jamon), out of bounds. PENALTY USC Holding on MOORE, Jakai enforced 10 yards from the UGA44 to the USC46 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
2nd & 20 at SC 46
(5:59 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
3rd & 20 at SC 46
(4:01 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass intercepted
1st & 10 at SC 13
(1:33 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at SC 13
(1:33 - 4th) RATTLER, Spencer pass short to the left complete for 10 yards to JOYNER, Dakereon caught at the USC14 and advanced to the USC23 (STARKS, Malaki). PENALTY USC Holding declined USC Chop Block on FUGAR, Sidney enforced half the distance from the goal, 6 yards from the USC13 to the USC7 [NHSG]. NO PLAY (replay the down).
2nd & 16 at SC 7
(1:33 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass incomplete
3rd & 16 at SC 7
(1:33 - 4th) Spencer Rattler run for 8 yds to the SC 15
4th & 8 at SC 15
(1:33 - 4th) Spencer Rattler run for 9 yds to the SC 24 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 24
(0:18 - 4th) Spencer Rattler pass intercepted
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