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re: Donnan vs. Richt
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:41 am to Glory, Glory
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:41 am to Glory, Glory
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Did you know that over the last 5 seasons, Richt is 21-21 vs Bowl eligible teams? This means Richt is capitalizing on lesser opponents.
No. It means h is playing well against good teams.
He is padding his recrod against Florida A&M, and UAB. He is beating Clemson and Georgia Tech. VERY few teams play two Power Conference teams as OOC.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:47 am to DawgsLife
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He is beating Clemson and Georgia Tech.
He is 2-2 against those teams over the past two years. So, yes, he is beating them, but, uh, he's also losing to them.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:50 am to Peter Buck
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Gamblers got Donnan
Wow. I do believe that is the first I've heard of that. I do count UGA as lucky to have lasted four years of Donnan without getting the NCAA hammer...
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:12 am to HellRaisingDawg
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He is 2-2 against those teams over the past two years. So, yes, he is beating them, but, uh, he's also losing to them.
True....but both of those losses can be attributed to the players and not Richt. Two fumbles on the goal line against Tech and missed field goal against Clemson.
I understand that it goes back to the coach, but at some point we have to be realistic. Those two losses were on the players.
It's not like he argued for a second to be put back on the clock and sent out a freshman to kick a field goal and have a kick 6 against him.
Look, I understand eveybody's frustration. We should have been 11-1 at worst and in the playoff talk. But we can't point fingers at Richt about every little thing. Try to step back and look at it with an unbiased eye....forget your frustration and ask what really lost against Tech. Was it the squib kick? (HORRIBLE decision) or was it the two fumbles and the screw up on the kickoff return?
Even the loss to South carolina...was it the pass near the goal line, or was it the missed call for holding? It's hard to coach against bad calls by the referee.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:13 am to HellRaisingDawg
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Wow. I do believe that is the first I've heard of that. I do count UGA as lucky to have lasted four years of Donnan without getting the NCAA hammer...
I watched the games but didn't follow the inner workings of the program that closely....was Donnan a bit on the shady side?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:15 am to DawgsLife
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He is beating Clemson and Georgia Tech. VERY few teams play two Power Conference teams as OOC.
Let’s not forget in that same 5 year period, losing to Colorado and getting spanked by Boise St.
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He is padding his recrod against Florida A&M, and UAB
That’s my point. If you subtracted the cupcakes wins over NON-Power 5 opponents, Richt’s all-time record is 107-48 (69%). Those wins include 2 automatics every year (Kentucky and Vandy), for a record of 24-4. So now Richt’s record is 83-44 (65.3%). Not very impressive if you ask me. I could dig deeper and pull the data for wins over bowl eligible teams only, but I think you get the point.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:26 am to Glory, Glory
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Let’s not forget in that same 5 year period, losing to Colorado and getting spanked by Boise St.
Let's not forget that Boise was ranked #5 in the nation that year when we played them, and finished 12-1 and finished #7 in the nation, so lets not paint them as a bad team. Colorado? i got nothing. No defense.
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He is padding his recrod against Florida A&M, and UAB
Crap. I meant to put that he is NOT padding his record against non Power 5 teams. I would be willing to bet VERY few teams plays two Power 5 Conference games as OOC games. MOST will play 3-4 powder puff teams. See Mississippi State this year, for instance..Sothern Miss., UAB, South Alabama and UT martin.
Even when someone like LSU plays a decent OOC opponenet the other three was Sam Houston, ULM, and New mexico State.
Alabama? In addition to West Virginia they played Southern Miss., Florida Atlantic and Western carolina.
Tennessee likes to brag about their OOC schedule. They had Okalhoma, Utah State, Chattanooga and Arkansas State.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:30 am to ruckusdawg
SIAP - I just read page 1
Donnan was not hired by anyone else after UGA because he is an insufferable prick
He is not easy to like of get along with
He does not enjoy socializing or the backslapping that is critical for a head NCAA football coach
people that donate BIG money to schools for football expect for the head coach to at least PRETEBD that they like them, expect to get a round of golf, an appearance at their hunting club or local social group and have the coach act like he is THRILLED to be there
Donnan was not well liked. He had already won national Championships at the secondary level, I am sure he had division 2 opportunities, but he was too prideful to take a job that was a step down.
He did not get a big offer from a Div 1 school because of his personality
Donnan was not hired by anyone else after UGA because he is an insufferable prick
He is not easy to like of get along with
He does not enjoy socializing or the backslapping that is critical for a head NCAA football coach
people that donate BIG money to schools for football expect for the head coach to at least PRETEBD that they like them, expect to get a round of golf, an appearance at their hunting club or local social group and have the coach act like he is THRILLED to be there
Donnan was not well liked. He had already won national Championships at the secondary level, I am sure he had division 2 opportunities, but he was too prideful to take a job that was a step down.
He did not get a big offer from a Div 1 school because of his personality
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:31 am to Glory, Glory
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That’s my point. If you subtracted the cupcakes wins over NON-Power 5 opponents, Richt’s all-time record is 107-48 (55%).
Actually that is a 69% winning percentage.
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Those wins include 2 automatics every year (Kentucky and Vandy), for a record of 24-4. So now Richt’s record is 83-44 (46.9%).
I'm not sure how you are figuring youw winnin percentage but it is wrong. You are saying he wins 83 games and loses 44 yet your winning percentage says he wins fewer than half? That percentage shuld be 64% unless I am misunderstanding you. (Which is possible) Besides, you can't remove vanderbilt and Kentucky. They have been tough the past few years....and they are in our division.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 6:49 am to DawgsLife
Donnan was an insufferable prick.....but that isn't what cost him the job at UGA...it was a perfect storm combination of the entire Quincy Carter fiasco (part of the reason Richt is so adamant about dismissing players....it comes from above that the University is not going to be embarrassed by a player again) losing to tech, and not getting along with the UGA aristocrats like Lorne Smith. I also remember talk in Athens during his stint that he was constantly working on projects other than UGA football even during the season. Apparently there is some truth to this because he did have some legal problems later.
Donnan was not hired anywhere else as a coach because something happened with Quincy Carter. Donnan was fired, more or less, without a lot of warning and it came as a shock to a lot of people who should have known a move was being made. I don't think we will ever know exactly what took place but it was more than wins and losses......
Donnan was not hired anywhere else as a coach because something happened with Quincy Carter. Donnan was fired, more or less, without a lot of warning and it came as a shock to a lot of people who should have known a move was being made. I don't think we will ever know exactly what took place but it was more than wins and losses......
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:00 am to germandawg
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I don't think we will ever know exactly what took place but it was more than wins and losses......
This makes sense. I had noticed that he was not unseccessful at UGA, and it had to be more than just personality.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 7:50 am to DawgsLife
I do not know this for sure, only from people talking.... But I know there were rumors of point shaving ... and then him not getting any job offers. He was known as. Good coach at the time. I liked his attitude towards the cleat suckers though...
I doubt he was point shaving, but my assumption would be that the staff did not report issues to the AD and attempted to handle them internally and word got out and it was used as an excuse to fire him. The shite he pulled with this ponzi deal gives one insight to his moral compass...
I doubt he was point shaving, but my assumption would be that the staff did not report issues to the AD and attempted to handle them internally and word got out and it was used as an excuse to fire him. The shite he pulled with this ponzi deal gives one insight to his moral compass...
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:07 am to Peter Buck
I had always heard the rumor was that Quincy Carter threw the 2000 USCe game to pay off drug debts.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:20 am to DawgsLife
quote:As bad as the game was, we were in prime position to kick a FG to win the game, but Caleb King fumbled the ball away at the Colorado 25 and so went the game.
Colorado? i got nothing. No defense.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:25 am to DawgsLife
You're correct on the winning %. My math skills failed me, thanks for pointing out the error. I'll make the adjustment in my post
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:29 am to Glory, Glory
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You're correct on the winning %. My math skills failed me, thanks for pointing out the error. I'll make the adjustment in my post
Winning percentages is one of those mysteries of life! i have to stop and think real hard before figuring out how to do them.
Of course, I have to stop and think real hard before I tie my shoes!
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:34 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:45 pm to Peter Buck
Why hasn't Bobo been offered even one HC job? Answer that and you'll see why UGA has underperformed.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:54 pm to wizatlanta
He has
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:54 pm to germandawg
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it was more than wins and losses......
Not really. It was precisely wins and losses or who we were losing to and how often.
1-4 vs UT,1-4 vs UF,2-3 vs AU and 0-3 vs GT his last 3 season's.
NO UGA coach could ever survive 3 losses in a row to GT unless he was competing for the SECC every other year.
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