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re: Cops are Heros and they protect us.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:13 pm to Spunky
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:13 pm to Spunky
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What would you have done differently in his shoes, or what would you like to see LEO do in the future when this scenario happens again?
If he could speak from the grave, I believe that he would tell his fellow officers to quit being revenue generators for a failed state.
I would never be in his shoes...period. I follow the non-aggression principle, and clearly, this cop did not.
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:14 pm to Spunky
Why didnt the cop kill that motherfricker?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:16 pm to Spunky
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Will you answer my question before asking ones of your own, thanks
Done.
But, I believe, you knew my answer before you asked the question. I feel no sympathy for the man.
Perhaps, if he had children, I would feel for them, but daddy made a bad career choice, kid. Learn from his mistake.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:17 pm to Spunky
In the link from Laurens County the cop would've been wise to use deadly force as soon as the rifle was brandished.
At least the murdering moron was convicted and punished.
Unfortunately, almost no murderous cops are punished.
At least the murdering moron was convicted and punished.
Unfortunately, almost no murderous cops are punished.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:17 pm to deeprig9
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Why didnt the cop kill that motherfricker?
Because the motherfricker had a gun. It isn't as easy to kill an armed, free motherfricker as it is to kill a handcuffed, unarmed motherfricker.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:20 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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Perhaps, if he had children, I would feel for them, but daddy made a bad career choice, kid. Learn from his mistake.
it's not hard to act like a hardass without being a piece of shitePosted on 1/6/15 at 10:22 pm to Whiznot
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Unfortunately, almost no murderous cops are punished.
This. And this is what the thread is all about. Accountability, of which there is none.
The wheels on the bus go round and round, and cops continue to remain silent while there brethren engage in piss poor behavior, implicitly consenting to said poor behavior.
Instead of deflecting, some people need to step across the line and join those speaking out against the growing police presence in and around our communities...
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:23 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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It isn't as easy to kill an armed, free motherfricker as it is to kill a handcuffed, unarmed motherfricker.
I like my targets like I like my women.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:25 pm to TMDawg
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it's not hard to act like a hardass without being a piece of shite
Shouldn't this read:
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it's not hard to act like a hardass while being a piece of shite
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Just sounds funny to me. Dunno.
And I am to you, my friend, whatever you perceive me as. I must warn you, though: I give an average of zero fricks on those occasions when people share their opinion of me.
And daddy DID make a poor career choice.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:27 pm to Spunky
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I like my targets like I like my women.
Armless, legless, and mentally retarded?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:38 pm to HellRaisingDawg
quote:No. Think about it for a minute. I'm saying you can keep up your 'hardass frick the police' persona without being a piece of shite at the same time. C'mon now, keep up.
Shouldn't this read:
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it's not hard to act like a hardass while being a piece of shite
I am not a blind supporter of the police, also don't fall on the "frick the police" side either. I tend to judge people based on how they act rather than as part of a large group.
Are there officers that abuse their power? Hell yea there are and unfortunately police unions tend to create problems in that regard too. And when they abuse their power, they shouldn't get any special treatment for being officers. They should certainly be punished to the full extent of the law. But sorry if that doesn't lead me to think all cops suck and are out to shoot grandma for a fun Saturday night.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:44 pm to HellRaisingDawg
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:50 pm to TMDawg
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No. Think about it for a minute. I'm saying you can keep up your 'hardass frick the police' persona without being a piece of shite at the same time. C'mon now, keep up.
I dig.
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Are there officers that abuse their power? Hell yea there are and unfortunately police unions tend to create problems in that regard too. And when they abuse their power, they shouldn't get any special treatment for being officers. They should certainly be punished to the full extent of the law. But sorry if that doesn't lead me to think all cops suck and are out to shoot grandma for a fun Saturday night.
Until such a day when cops are truly without bad intentions or errors, you'd do well to adopt the "frick the police" mentality and treat them all as if they will abuse, arrest and kill you for no good god-damned reason.
It's the same philosophy which leads a responsible gun owner to handle every gun as if it were loaded.
Cops are not on your side. Remember that.
And I maintain that I have zero sympathy for any cop killed while participating in revenue collection.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:53 pm to Spunky
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LINKHas this been discussed?
Damn, that video is tough to watch. I was seven at the time and still remember it happening like yesterday, that affected the entire Laurens County community. This case was one of the occasions in which deadly force was actually justified, sadly Dep. Dinkheller waited to act until it was too late.
There's a middle ground to be found between blindly bashing the police and blindly support their actions. I look at that the same way I look at people who blindly support/oppose a politician based on what party they belong to.
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I am not a blind supporter of the police, also don't fall on the "frick the police" side either. I tend to judge people based on how they act rather than as part of a large group.
This
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:03 pm to GaBassFisher92
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look at that the same way I look at people who blindly support/oppose a politician based on what party they belong to.
I loathe politicians more so than cops. The cops are the enforcement wing of an overreaching government, which is why I actively encourage all cops that I know personally to speak out against such legislation that allows/requires "quality of life" and "revenue generation" police work, AND to act accordingly.
THIS can be the only middle ground. THIS will end the VAST majority of violent confrontations between Joe/Sue Citizen and The Heroes That Protect Us.
Do this, and I will have hope for the future world in which my daughter will live.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:04 pm to TMDawg
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Are there officers that abuse their power? Hell yea there are and unfortunately police unions tend to create problems in that regard too.
Corruption is a major problem with police departments across the country, in many cases law-enforcement is simply a money making outfit. More problems and corruption comes from the government giving PD's the incentive to make arrests with the promise of new technology or improved equipment.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:07 pm to HellRaisingDawg
quote:I think one can and should be aware of their rights and seek legal recourse when those rights are violated. Beyond that, what are you suggesting?
Until such a day when cops are truly without bad intentions or errors, you'd do well to adopt the "frick the police" mentality and treat them all as if they will abuse, arrest and kill you for no good god-damned reason.
quote:I know they don't have a legal responsibility to protect citizens. And if your self defense plan involves cops, it's probably not going to be the best one (especially due to the time factor, etc).
Cops are not on your side. Remember that.
quote:And that's the part I think is just trashy. They're still a person. How do you go about deciding who you feel sorry for if they're murdered?
And I maintain that I have zero sympathy for any cop killed while participating in revenue collection.
I mean yea, if a cop is violating someone and attempting to use lethal force unnecessarily and that person defends themself, that's one thing. But to just make that blanket statement is shitty. I assume you're coming from the perspective that the state/govt doesn't have the right to your property and therefore you're being violated by them trying to take it?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:08 pm to GaBassFisher92
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Corruption is a major problem with police departments across the country, in many cases law-enforcement simply a money making outfit. More problems and corruption comes from the government giving PD's the incentive to make arrests with the promise of new technology or improved equipment.
Don't forget Federal Monies that are flowing into your local Sheriff's offices. Look into that. Lowndes County takes a metric-frick ton of Federal dollars, and has expanded accordingly.
(we have some super-duper military toys the boys like to cruise around in, complete with masks, machine guns, and flak jackets...)
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:10 pm to HellRaisingDawg
Completely agree that quotas, red light cameras (that don't do a thing besides increase tickets - never seen any evidence that they save lives and I highly doubt that's ever been the intent of them), and the like are a big problem. And you're right, those definitely foster a distrust.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:15 pm to TMDawg
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And if your self defense plan involves cops, it's probably not going to be the best one (especially due to the time factor, etc).
Agree.
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I think one can and should be aware of their rights and seek legal recourse when those rights are violated. Beyond that, what are you suggesting?
Exactly what I said. Do not cooperate. Retain your rights and consent to nothing. Treat every cop as if he will ruin your day just because he can.
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And that's the part I think is just trashy. They're still a person. How do you go about deciding who you feel sorry for if they're murdered?
I feel sorry for people who do not initiate aggression against other people, either for some utilitarian personal or societal gain.. (Aggression is defined as an unsolicited action against someone who has failed to violate the rights of any party.)
If you are murdered standing in your yard, watering your lawn, I can feel sorry for you.
If you are shot and killed trying to take money from someone that you have not earned, feed the grass. I care not.
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I assume you're coming from the perspective that the state/govt doesn't have the right to your property and therefore you're being violated by them trying to take it?
I assume you dabble in socialism?
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