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re: 2018 UGA Recruiting Thread (commits, offers, visits, etc.) - Back to that #1 class
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:32 pm to DawgHolliday
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:32 pm to DawgHolliday
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roster “processing”
Doesn't help us with the cap of 25 in this year's class... most seem to think there are upwards of 15-20 guys that we have a better than good chance if we *can* take them to fill the last few spots we have... balancing the roster from a talent by position standpoint will be important, as will talent evaluation.
As far as the getting under 85, I'm not too concerned. Just with senior attrition, we have room for like 18 or 19 I think I calculated... that doesn't account for Roquan or Trent leaving... I think there is a good chance we have at least 3 transfer and I believe we only have room for 24 in this class due to Marvin's blue shirt (pushes his initial counter to this year's class even though he joined last year's class). There has been some discussion that backcounting doesn't exist anymore... even if that's incorrect, we don't have any room to backcount to last year anyways, so it's really a non-factor. The only wiggle room I can think of is Devonte Wyatt's status... if he was an initial counter in 17's class *and* an initial counter in 18's class... it would seem there might be some magic to be worked there.
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:36 pm to DawgHolliday
Yeah, that doesn't matter with the hard 25 limit now. You can't just process the heck out of anyone then sign a bunch of extra guys and back-count numbers from the previous class. That makes it even more important to convince guys to stay so that you have a full roster and complete depth at every position.
Edit: Fib beat me to it
Edit: Fib beat me to it
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:47 pm to LedDawgK
Is there a limit on PWO’s? And is there a rule that doesn’t allow us to award those PWO’s scholarships mid-year (meaning spring semester) when the schollies are vacated by the processed guys without counting towards the cap?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:49 pm to SumterCoDawg
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2 CBs for Jordan Davis (Rusty and Kipp) and 2 more CBs for Cade Mays.
Left one of those out on my list but mentioned one soon. Everyone seems to be chatting it up online, so Davis is who I heard drops soon. Thought it would of already happened, but a lot is happening with targets at Dline and DB.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:58 pm to DawgHolliday
I believe the rule basically stipulates that you can't "walk on" and then be awarded a scholarship if you were recruited during the cycle. Only real option to skirt the cap is to gray shirt, but given the talent in the 2019 class, I don't think the staff will push that for any player as I highly doubt they will see any borderline player as worthy of losing a spot to sign in 2019
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:58 pm to DawgHolliday
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PWO’s
I do know after a year in the program, granting a scholarship to Walk-on doesn't count toward 25, but of course a space. This, transfers, and Juco will be the only way some programs will fill their rosters. 100 over 4 years, with no back counting would of killed us with Richt. And the hard cap to boot. Got to make sure they're gonna qualify, because you don't get that back.
Used to be backwards and front. Now there is no back and it takes a lawyer to decipher this stuff
We have an amazing walk-on program btw
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:59 pm to DawgHolliday
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Is there a limit on PWO’s?
Not actually sure. I don't see any reason why there *would* be, given that they're paying their own way for school... but I think that the rules changed a few years back where they are able to get food covered along with the other athlete perks like medical treatment, tutoring, etc...
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And is there a rule that doesn’t allow us to award those PWO’s scholarships mid-year (meaning spring semester) when the schollies are vacated by the processed guys without counting towards the cap?
I think this is what Rodrigo ran into last year. If you give a PWO a scholarship during his first 2 years, he is then added as an initial counter in *that* year, limiting your available recruiting pool. Otherwise, Kirby may have given him a scholarship sooner. Don't know the exact rule off the top of my head, but pretty sure it's something to that effect.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:08 pm to AmericusDawg
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We have an amazing walk-on program btw
We have talked about it before, but the work that Schumann is doing with our PWO program and leveraging the HOPE scholarship is one of the least talked about, but most important things going on right now.
With new recruiting rules, EVERY team will deal with too much attrition to stay at 85 at some point. The stable of quality walk on a we are gathering means that if we ever have to call up from that depth, the quality of player there is much higher.
And that is not even to mention the benefit we get in practice of having a deep and athletic scout team.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:10 pm to DawgHolliday
No I do not believe there is a limit on PWO's. But you cannot get around the rule by awarding a scholarship later with this new rule.
"Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017)."
So the way I read that is, the only way you can give someone a scholarship and have it NOT count initially towards the class year they were brought in is if they have been a full-time student for 2 years or they are declared a medical exemption/redshirt.
Edit: Dammit Fib! Stop beating me to the punch! 
"Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017)."
So the way I read that is, the only way you can give someone a scholarship and have it NOT count initially towards the class year they were brought in is if they have been a full-time student for 2 years or they are declared a medical exemption/redshirt.
Edit: Dammit Fib! Stop beating me to the punch!
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:24 pm to LedDawgK
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Edit: Dammit Fib! Stop beating me to the punch!
All good brotha! I couldn't find the damn rule anywhere, I just had it in my head it was 2 years as the mark. That wasn't the exact one I was looking at (pretty sure it was adjusted/modified back in 2014 because I can find an article where Rich Rod is bitching about it then... but can't actually find a direct reference to the rule change) but that gets the same point across. Suffice it to say... there aren't going to be a lot of occasions where PWOs are going to pick up a scholarship in year one or 2... *but* with the Hope/Zell Grant (for those that qualify) + free food... their primary expense that is different then becomes housing. I wonder how many PWOs are brought on at Alabama using their Out of State Merit Scholarship program... LINK
I know it might be sacrilege... but if that still exists when my kid gets to college age, I might be saying Roll Tide (pretty sure it didn't exist when I signed up for school or I might already be saying it... for me would have been on the presidential elite, so would have been ridiculous to turn it down)
I recognize it's not easy to score as well on standardized tests as I did as a kid, but at the same time... even a 30-32 on the ACT isn't *that* out of the realm of possibilities for a lot of kids. With that in mind, I also wonder if they use that for their non-revenue sports... if they aren't, they're missing an opportunity.
Anyways... back to the original point... we do have a pretty solid situation with the ability to bring in-state PWOs in and keep talent around outside of the 25 cap.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:31 pm to fibonaccisquared
That scholarship is relatively new I believe. My UGA degree has been good to me, but had that presidential elite been around when I matriculated, I would most definitely have been a Bammer
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:33 pm to NCDawg52
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That scholarship is relatively new I believe. My UGA degree has been good to me, but had that presidential elite been around when I matriculated, I would most definitely have been a Bammer
Yep. Don't regret my choice at all... but yeah... if it had been around, pretty sure I would have taken that option. Just noticed they have a similar program for in-state as well... LINK - just because they don't have the HOPE, doesn't mean they don't have a rough approximate.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 5:54 pm to fibonaccisquared
Lots of research and analysis shows that programs like HOPE and what Alabama has lead to dramatic rises in admissions standards. Will probably become common across the southeast by the time I have to put kids through college.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 5:11 am to NCDawg52
Per Radi's Twitter:
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Could be an interesting news day if the UGASports staff Groupme is to be believed. Stay tuned.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:59 am to VoxDawg
Jordan Davis
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:46 am to AmericusDawg
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Jordan Davis
Read on another board he should be committing today at 4?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:54 am to fibonaccisquared
No clue. I'm sure all the sites will have the stories and emails ready to go.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:55 am to VoxDawg
Apparently Jordan Davis is committing and a top 50 basketball player is committing today. UGA has had a lead with both so potentially it could be a great day for UGA athletics all around.
Many believe the basketball player is headed Oregon though.
Disclaimer, not trying to bring basketball here just explaining.
Many believe the basketball player is headed Oregon though.
Disclaimer, not trying to bring basketball here just explaining.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:19 am to AmericusDawg
Does anyone have the inside on Davis? Seems like an average DT according to what I saw on 247.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:30 am to AllDawgCK
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Does anyone have the inside on Davis?
Looks to be destined for a shot at Nose (0/1 Tech). Some speculation on other boards that he and Walthour may overlap, but ultimately, with John John Atkins graduating this year, we'll need some bodies to step into that role. He's not a super elite prospect, but he's got good size/strength and could easily play the role of gap filler with some time in a S&C program (6'6" 300ish right now).
Kind of have to keep in mind that NTs are never going to be super flashy. He's definitely above average... just maybe not "elite".
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